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[castalie]

Some random thoughts because random is of the good.

1- babycakesin will be spending three days home! From Wed to Sat - which means that if Our Savior accomplishes Her Mission, Babycakes and I will be watching "Tabular Rasa" -Lost 1x03 - together! Woohoo! OMG this should be so good *glassy eyes* Actually we'll have to be a bit organised because between my classes and some seminar she has to attend, we'll be sorta busy during the days, but as soon as we're both back where we belong, ie home and in front of the TV/computer, we'll geek together. Geek from the verb to geek, of course.

2- Since I discovered the SG RPS archive yesterday, it feels like I've discovered this whole hidden underworld, and know what? I read a Chris Judge/Michael Shanks not five minutes ago! Yes, it also exists *frowns* No wait... did I say that I read it? No, of course I didn't, because hey that would be wrong. So let me rephrase it : I didn't look for that particular pairing on dirty_diana's LJ after scrollgirl rec'ced it to me - if I'm going down, I won't be the only one - and I didn't read it and I didn't send a feedback either. Nope. Only... yeah okay I kinda did. I wasn't convincing? Damn *sigh*

I'm certainly not trying to encourage you to read RPS because I know how uncomfortable it makes some people and I totally get that, so this isn't me trying to proselytise, promise - to tell the truth, I'm not even sure I'll look for those stories exactly, but it's just that finding that SG RPS did exist made me happy on some really pervie level. This fandom seems... well, conservative and fluffy, you know? I'm not criticising fluff btw - I do like sweet and fluffy stories, I do, but you know that I'm into dark and kinky stories and it's not always easy finding them in that fandom because usually... that's not how Jack and Daniel are portrayed and dark fics don't seem to be a favoured theme exactly. Which doesn't mean we don't find them - we do, just not as easily as in some fandoms is all. Each fandom has its quirk, I usually think it's SG's - that and being wanky of course lol So finding those RPS stories was like a revelation. SG can be naugthy and wicked after all lol

3- I'd like to know why a male character who's portrayed as deeply submissive means he's suddenly behaving like a woman. That sorta baffled me. So a man can be a little submissive and he's still a man, but if he's truly submissive, it suddenly becomes unmanly, out of character and he's automatically acting like a girl, because hey, everyone knows submissiveness equals female behaviour *blink* I'm not talking about the content of the story that was mentioned btw, I'm not talking about the way Blair was portrayed - if he was OOC or anything, I didn't read Darkdreamer's series yet - though I saved it and will do later - but I just didn't like the assumption that the 'problem' in that new series comes from the fact that because Blair is apparently a true submissive, he's actually behaving like a woman instead of a man.

ETA: Boy how hot is Jim on that moodtheme, seriously?!

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[madralaoi.livejournal.com]

3. I totally agree with you.

2. Give me the links now! No, I still don't like RPS but I'll be damned if I let my feelings missing a good slash story. :P
And don't you dare feel guilty about it. Everyone is entitled to have their opinions and feeligns as long as they don't force them on someone else.
Hey, just cause I don't like Sam/Jack ship doesn't mean I won't let others like it. :))

[castalie.livejournal.com]

3- It seems it wasn't what the poster --I wondered whether it was actually a man or a woman here-- meant. Problem is, it's exactly how they said it *shrug* Not that submitting is shameful, of course, I usually think the submissive holds the power, but that's not the point - the assumption that because you're a woman means you're can't be anything else but submissive just got to me, that and the fact that a man being submissive wouldn't be credible.

2. Give me the links now!

Yes, Ma'am *salutes* So for here the link for dirty_diana's CJ/MS (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dirty_diana/35989.html) and this one is RDA/MS (http://www.livejournal.com/users/dirty_diana/41366.html). Also, the archive I mentioned was linked in my last post *g*

And don't you dare feel guilty about it.

Eeek, love ya *g*

[scrollgirl.livejournal.com]

If you're going down? IF? Oh, you are so going to the special hell! *eg* But don't forget to save me a seat, cuz I'm on that hell ride with you! *pets the pretties* It is so worth it ;)

Glad I could perpetuate the naughty. I mean, it's so sad to see a fine upstanding woman such as yourself degrade yourself with RPS. Tsk, tsk.

LOL! Whee! There needs to be more SG RPS right NOW!

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Are you kidding, I saved you a seat as soon as I started reading those stories! And we should have fun down there because I have the feeling we'll meet lots of our LJ buddies lol

Fine Upstanding Woman - yes! That's a very nice description! Which also explains why I was so shocked, see?

Well, we already broke the law of silence by publicly rec'cing and linking to SG RPS, it might free other slashers and we may see more? *wishful thinking*

[rhyo.livejournal.com]

Re #3 - I saw that critique (jeez, how hard is it to respect the TWO rules that TSSF has: no reviews or critiques of stories AND label requests and stories as Gen or Slash? Very hard, apparently.)

I've read the stories, and I found them interesting but I do think that Blair is pretty seriously OOC, mostly because I can't see Blair as particularly submissive, at least not all the time. Role-playing in a sexual relationship? Sure. Walking a half-step behind Jim at all times? Ummm, no. What would the Blair as depicted in these stories do in the episode "Warriors" for instance? Somewhere in one of Daydreamer's stories, Blair says something to Jim and Jim snarls back something along the lines of "You may never tell me what to do." Can't see that, in the context of the Jim and Blair I know.

But I like AUs, and often the point of an AU is that not only do you change the situation, you change a key character component or situation. I'm in the middle of writing one where the Blair that Jim first meets is someone who is already past the bouncy grad student stage, already serious with a bunch of other responsibilities. I want to look at what it does to the relationship when Blair can't and won't commit his entire life to Jim. Along the same lines, Daydreamer wants to look at an AU Jim and Blair where Blair can be submissive to Jim. I'm not personally fond of a lot of kink fic, so it's not my favorite fic, but she's set up her AU in very specific and reasonable terms. She has warnings up on her main page now (she didn't when she started, probably a bit of a mistake on her part) so no one going in can say they weren't warned.

But the post equating submissive and female left me scratching my head. I don't actually think that was what the poster was trying to say, but that sure is how it sounded.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

To be fair, maybe that's not what the poster meant, but they definitely should have thought the sentence carefully and phrase it differently because like you said, that's exactly how it sounded - and I'm afraid it sounded bad.

Re: the series now. I read it last night and actually liked it. Having said that, I do think it's more an AU than a canon-based story but we were more or less warned so I don't think the attacks launched against Darkdreamer were fair - if any kind of attack against a fic is ever fair, anyway.

Reading stories where the partners don't exactly play at a Dom/sub relationship but effectively live it 24/7 is one of my kinks and we don't get those so much, so I was pleased *g* It's indeed a different take at their relationship, dynamics and personalities from the one we see in the show, but after all fics are there to explore different aspect of a story/character like you said [well, speaking of AUs, but the principle is the same *g*] and within the confine of the series --I mean, Darkdreamer's-- it sure worked for me *g*

And speaking of which, your plot bunny definitely intrigued me. I'm looking forward to reading the result *g*

[saladscream.livejournal.com]

2. Okay... you had to do it, didn't you. I mean you had to talk about that RPS archive in your LJ and drag me into it too! ::glares:: Well yes you're responsible for my fall, damn you! ::wags an accusing finger at Mouse::
Although I don't read that kind of story (I usually don't see the point), I must admit curiosity got the better of me this time... ::hangs head in shame::
Can't say I saw any difference with the usual J/D slash: change the firstnames and there you go... My inner perv was a bit disappointed... But then I'm not really used to the stuff, so maybe I was expecting too much?

3. That "submissive = woman-ish" rubbish is just that: rubbish. I've been reading Daydreamer's series, but I won't spoil it for you. I'd be curious to have your opinion on it, though.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

2- I'll drag my flist just about everywhere I'll go - even in a new kind of hell. But know what? Knowing my flist, I knew some people would enjoy the ride lol And I like corrupting people, anyway. This is one of my favourite past times *eg*

Can't say I saw any difference with the usual J/D slash: change.

Funny you should say that, cause that's exactly what I told.. yeah okay, I forgot who it was I was discussing it with. Bad Mouse. Anyway, that's also a reason why I was curious about another pairing, namely CJ/MS because I had the feeling we would get more differences with them, and yeah I was right lol

3- I read the series last night, and if you don't mind, I'll just paste what I told rhyo above. So like I said, I read it last night and actually liked it. Having said that, I do think it's more an AU than a canon-based story but we were more or less warned so I don't think the attacks launched against Darkdreamer were fair - if any kind of attack against a fic is ever fair, anyway.

Reading stories where the partners don't exactly play at a Dom/sub relationship but effectively live it 24/7 is one of my kinks and we don't get those so much, so I was pleased *g* It's indeed a different take at the relationship, dynamics and personalities from the one we see in the show, but after all fics are there to explore different aspects of a story/character and within the confine of the series --I mean, Darkdreamer's-- it sure worked for me *g*

[ginalin.livejournal.com]

As a female sort of person, the idea that submission automatically means "female" to some people is downright insulting!

Voluntary submission is something that anyone can enjoy, sexually speaking. It's an act of trust, not really a gender issue. It's culture that defines those things and sometimes, culture is stoopid.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I thought it was rather insulting too. I read the message several times to make sure I'd read it right, and unfortunately I'd had. Thing is, the poster sent another mail apologising because it was apparently not what they'd meant, but they really should have 'thought' before sending their message because it's exactly how it sounded. Well, it's exactly how it was written too.

Voluntary submission is something that anyone can enjoy, sexually speaking. It's an act of trust, not really a gender issue. It's culture that defines those things and sometimes, culture is stoopid.

Word *nodnod*

[ginalin.livejournal.com]

I think that's a good example of how ingrained these things become in our thinking. We might not even realize that we've been condition to automatically think of the submissive person in a sexual relationship as always being female.

It's well known that the more a culture depersonalizes and subjugates females, the more homophobic they are. Because they view anyone who takes the submissive position(the "female" position to their thinking), even voluntarily, as someone weak or inferior, someone to look down on.

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

*squees like Calvin in front of a dinosaur*

Three days!

*squees like Daniel in front of an artefact*

We'll be able to watch Lost together!

*squees like Blair in front of Jim's cock a monkey with an eating disorder*

Temptation to skip seminar is building but I shall resist it

*squees like a fangirl in front of Lost*

and yeah, your Jim moodicon is definitely hot lol

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Three days!

And it's tomorrow!!

We'll be able to watch Lost together!

*faints*

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

todaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! *does Snoopy dance*

[seersha.livejournal.com]

2. Well, considering I didn't know that RPS existed in the SG fandom, I was... surprised. I found it via links, read it, and gave a reply. I don't make a habit of reading RPS (really, aside from the SG one I think I've read a total of 2 other RPS fics and they were... um... not so good), but it was interesting anyway. Thanks for mentioning this and replying to my comment with the site link.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

This archive was quite the surprise, wasn't it?

And you're welcome *g*