Demonising Jim / Lost broke my brain *sigh*

[castalie]

Some people seem to have a problem with the concept of 'to each their own' - like, it's apparently impossible for those people to accept the fact that no, not everyone shares their tastes, yes, diversity is the spice of life and no again, it's not a crime if other readers like to read different characterisation than the one you believe in - it's actually not even worthy of discussion, which is why even this will be quick.

But speaking of those people? Remember how I sometimes love reading jerk!Jim fics? Well I just realised the errors of my way. I've been evil and mean all this time I've been *gasp* demonising his character and I've also promoted cruelty and abuse. I'm so ashamed!!

...

No wait... now that I think of it, that's a lie. Ooops, sorry, my bad [/sarcasm]

Why is it that people feel the need to diss other readers for having different tastes in stories? I absolutely love Jim - I do, but quite often now and then I love reading a story where he's being a fucking jerk to Blair. And sorry to disappoint but it doesn't mean that I hate his character. It just means that now and then, I like to have my Sentinel in a different flavour. And if stories where jerk!Blair don't work for me? Is because that's not the kind of dynamic I like to read, period - nothing more. No evil plan to demonise Jim Ellison and no conspiracy to destroy his character.

I never understand the fuss about all those things. And even if some readers do think jerk!Jim is the way to go, so what? *shrug*

On a different note now - they started airing Haunted again last night and something very wrong happened.

See, I wasn't impressed at all with that show when it first aired here and I distinctly remember mentioning that Frank Taylor was pretty dull and had no charisma. I remember saying that... but then, I watched it a bit differently yesterday because damn Frank is, you know, Jack - the Jack I started to find a bit more interesting in Lost, the Jack that was cool to Charlie and suddenly I was, like, hey maybe Frank isn't so dull after all what if I took a peek? And I told you it was wrong, but I couldn't help it.

Then he did it... he started to cry and it reminded me of White Rabbit and Matthew Fox cries so well, honestly and I wanted to cry with him and everything. I'm afraid I could start to get curious about Haunted and start watching it now and then.. just because Matthew Cries So Beautifully Fox plays in it - and this is just WRONG. Besides? It's at the same time as L&O:CI and there's no way I'll miss it - even if it's a rerun as well.

Lost broke my brain, man!

Comments

[greedy_dancer]

totally agree on the differences of opinion thing ... i mean, we talked about it quite extensively about QAF. why do people want to convert other people?? so frustrating!

and what is Haunted? a tv series with Matthew Fox?? never heard of it ...

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Frustrating indeed. Just didn't like the tone of the mail, and of course some other girls started to give their own two cents and what have you - on a ML that is solely for recs at that. As if it interested anyone to know that they don't like jerk!Jim, ya know? It's just one taste among others and thank God we don't always read the same characterisation, it would get boring real quick. Besides, they have enough stories with good!Jim to read, they're definitely not deprived.

I can get why they don't like this characterisation, that's not the problem - I myself don't like it when Blair tops all the time for instance, that's one of my quirks, but would I diss other writers because they write him like that? Hell no. That would be so bloody stupid.

If writers write jerk!Jim, it's because there are readers who like it --I should know lol-- and it should be enough for everyone *shrug* Hate it? Okay, no problem at all. Be all indignant and outraged because others do? Sorry, no.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I knew I'd forgotten something lol

Okay so Haunted is a tv series with Matthew Fox, yes. It got cancelled after a dozen of episodes or so I think and the first time it aired on M6, it really didn't impress me that much, even though technically it could have been cool. Not that original per se, but it's a theme I usually like : It tells the story of Detective Frank Taylor, who dies two years after the abduction of his son. While investigating a case in which a young boy and his baby-sitter are kidnapped, he faces their abductor, a sinister criminal named Simon. Their encounter leaves Simon dead and Frank nearly so...while in the hospital his soul leaves his body and he can see spirits. When he is revived by the doctors, he continues work as a private investigator, but finds that he can receive messages from beyond the grave from kind spirits. He will use this ability to do good and solve cases, but the vengeful Simon is out to make sure he doesn't get the messages...

Only problem was that Frank was kinda dull to me at the time. Then again, you know how it is, you sometimes see things differently under certain situations and that's kinda what happened last night. Dont know if I'll really start watching it, but I'll give it another try next week, at least *g*

[greedy_dancer]

i think i'd seen an ep of that ... was it airing on M6 for the 'trilogie du samedi soir'?
if it was, anyway, it didn't impress me at all. but i've been known to go back to stuff i had dismissed once i'd found a new interest in it ... *g*

[turps33.livejournal.com]

Lost broke your brain huh? It's a good way to break it at least *g*

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but some people are idiots. I think as long as you know the characterisation of your guy, and I know you do, there's nothing wrong with enjoying stories outside of that characterisation at times. We know Jim's not a jerk so reading stories where he is is like reading something slightly skewed, a mini AU maybe and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, a totally get the not liking Blair jerk stories just because thing. Okay, it may be hypercritical but people read what they like, what's the point of reading something you don't? It's insane. It's like I love my guys to bottom, full stop, end of story.

I think I've lost my point somewhere *g* So lets end on this again. People are idiots.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Exactly. Jerk!Jim, bastard!Jim isn't how I see the guy in the show. That's not even how I picture the relationship between the two men. I'm all for protective!Jim myself so it's definitely how I see Jim, man lol It's just a shift in personality, a different view of characterisation and storyline that I enjoy now and then.

Why people would take it personally is beyond me, because seriously fiction is all about exploring all kind of different situations. Saying they absolutely hate it when Jim is pictured that way is definitely okay, I get that, but no need to get bitchy about other writers using that theme or other readers loving it. It's not an offense toward their guy.

I hate it when Blair is pictured at this commitment phobic guy who pulls tantrum and leaves the loft at the slightest disagreement with Jim myself, I don't even understand it either, so what? If those stories are written, it's because they have an audience. From that point, it's okay with me. I sure wouldn't dream of dissing writers who use that particular characterisation - talk about being selfish and counter-productive *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's "readers" the poster has the issue with; I think this is the same old "why don't you writers write the stories *I* want to read?" whine. Lady Shelley is going to whup their asses whenever she gets on-line. The neutrality of TSstoryfinders is why it's lasted so long without imploding from wank (which, sadly, always festers under the surface).

This isn't as bad as the time someone asked for enema fic and got a response of "This is a sick joke, right?" or the time somebody asked for DD stories and was recced the anti-DD story some BNF wrote. Other listmembers just calmly recced what was asked for. *g*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

They have enough stories picturing the Jim they want without going on and on about it, seriously - don't even understand why they started it. It's even more frustrating that this ML is not for that kind of thing. Maybe I'll go and ask for Jim rapes Blair stories afterward. Though I know, it'd be petty so I won't do it *sigh* But it just annoys me when people imply that some themes shouldn't be written just because they don't like it or don't agree. So what if they don't?

And yes it's definitely not as bad as those times. I remember commenting myself when I recognised the anti-DD rec because I thought it was so bloody stupid and petty, and I'd even rec'ced some DD afterward *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

And yes it's definitely not as bad as those times. I remember commenting myself when I recognised the anti-DD rec because I thought it was so bloody stupid and petty, and I'd even rec'ced some DD afterward *g*

Was that you? You were a class act, baby. ;-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I definitely remember I wasn't the only one and I'm wondering whether ALF wasn't the very first one to comment on the thing. Though at the time I was still having problem with OE and wasn't receiving all the mails nor all my mails were getting through, so there may have been like a lot of people replying for all I know *g* DD United lol

[carodee.livejournal.com]

I seem to remember Andi as being one who recced an enema fic. Go her! Kink Knight in Shining Armor to the rescue!

And she betaed my Jim/poodle fic too. What a sweetheart.

[greedy_dancer]

sorry for intruding ... but what's DD? and consequently, what would be anti-DD? lol

[castalie.livejournal.com]

DD is the ever so controversial Domestic Discipline theme. People go nuts about it and you should see some of the reaction we get when we dare say it's something we like. I couldn't care less mind, but it always baffles me to see how stupid and intolerant people can be. Intolerant because they can't accept some would like something like that in fics and stupid because they all assume if you like DD fics it means you must be spanking your partner on a regular basis at the slightest mistake they would make or let them beat you or whatever and that of course it means you're oh so very sick - yeah, right! As if just because I like something in fiction, it means I do it IRL or even believe in it *shakes head*

[patk.livejournal.com]

You mean, the whole thing took place at TS-SToryfinders??? I haven't visited the list for way to long, but I thought this kind of discussion was against the list rules.

Pat

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... confused, but that's nothing new here.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

The problem is, some people don't just don't care about the rules and don't care about a list being 'recs only', which is why we have to 'suffer' those endless and pointless rants now and then. Though it seems like we hear about them more and more these days *sigh* It's definitely highly annoying *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

The "whole thing" seemed to be happening on quite a few TS lists. (Was it a full moon last week or something?) The TSstoryfinders kerfuffle started last weekend in post 38458 and people kept adding comments. I believe there was some similar discussion several days before that on Sentinalia. I know there was some on the tiny MME list. But the final straw was actually from Sentinel Angst when someone posted that there was no new good fic being written. Since that's a writers list there was offense taken and the new rec list TS_fresh_air was the result. Plus the corpse of Prospect-L momentarily came back to life, although that's probably a last gasp.

That's my tiny bit o' TS fandom history reportage.

[patk.livejournal.com]

I'm really surprised the TS-SToryfinders list-admin didn't put a stop on that immediately. They used to do that.

Ah, on Sen-Angst, now I know why I'm so out of the loop, I'm not a member of that list.

The corpse of P-L *giggle*, nice wording ;-) but yeah, the fear of getting shred to pieces hinder a lot of listmembers there to actually post their opinions and thoughts. Pity. A list is, what its members make out of it and nobody should be scared to tell his/her opinion.

Pat

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[carodee.livejournal.com]

The list-admin was probably busy that day with RL. She did stop it as soon as she got back on.

I agree that it's a shame about Prospect-L. I have mixed feelings about that list because I think many of the posters were less concerned about discussing the stories than who could mock most wittily, but that too is a form of fandom enjoyment. *shrugs*

But I still go through the archives occasionally and enjoy the intelligent and thoughtful discussions that happened over the years and I've gotten plotbunnies from them. I think I've mentioned before that a major influence on my story, Sleeper, was the discussion you had with... Geli (?) on Blair having a warrior crush. You'd have to squint really hard to see it but it's there.

Most of the P-L posters have moved to LJ and I think there's less Sentinel discussion because of it. Being stimulated by other people's comments is one of the strengths of lists. I have noticed that people aren't actually unsubbing so perhaps they're hoping *someone* will revive it. :-)

[patk.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, "Sleeper", one of my favorites written by you. :-) I love how you show Jim vaguely realizing this hidden "sleeper"-side of Blair, this hidden, darkly layer we occasionally see glimpses of, but not once enough to *really* see it clearly. :-)

Pat

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[carodee.livejournal.com]

Oh hey, thank you, Pat. *g* Seeing as how you were part of the inspiration (plus WoD's inexplicable wetsuit kink ;-), I'm delighted you enjoyed it.

I've been working on the sequel off and on, but I'm finding Blair a lot more complex and harder to pin down in this story. I like the parts I have but it hasn't gelled yet. The one thing I do not want to do is imply a cynical, manipulative user, which would be completely OOC IMO. If you're interested in discussing this some more, email me so we won't spam mouse's LJ. carodee99 at hotmail dot com

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Don't worry about that, I enjoyed your exchange lol As a matter of fact, it prompt me to re-read Sleeper, which, funnily enough, I'm reading right this moment lol

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Okay so just finished re-reading it, and the idea that you could be working on a sequel is just too good! I hope your Muses will be agreeable because I would love to read the story. And btw? About the little characterisation problem you're having? If I may? I think cynical could work to some extent but manipulative user? Would be OOC, I agree too... unless you explain it's a sort of defense mechanism. Like, use and manipulate others before others use and manipulate you and before things are taken away from you and you lose everything - until, eventually, you realise you don't need to behave like that anymore, but you would need someone strong in front of you to help you.

You always do wonder with different and/or extreme characterisation, you'll do just fine anyway *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

I was very careful in Sleeper to make it clear that Jim genuinely liked Blair (more than he realized or was comfortable with), even though he was clearly using Blair sexually. The confusion and distress he feels at the end when he realizes he doesn't know Blair very well is stronger because he wants to trust Blair and can't. I think it's pretty clear that Blair has strong feelings for Jim as well.

I think Blair is manipulative (as are we all), but he seems to mostly use Naomi's strategy of Assume, Assume, Assume until people give in and do it your way after all. Being likable, unthreatening, and (let's not forget) right *g* has worked for him. But there's clearly tougher stuff beneath the cheerful chipmunk mannerisms.

I definitely see your explanation of self-defense mechanism and agree with it partially, but I think Blair's learned mechanism is not to care if he loses stuff, i.e., detach with love. So I don't see the pre-emptive manipulation so much.

One of the things I'm assuming is Blair has so much life experience integrating himself in new groups that it's instinctive now, but he's more than smart enough to know what he's doing. People are very complex and someone who only sees and interacts on the surface level is going to have a lot of social miscommunications. An anthropologist is not going to make that mistake.

So I think one of the basic areas of mistrust between these two is that Jim is a human lie detector and Blair lies as casually as breathing, without malice certainly, but Jim is always going to be subconsciously registering the discontinuity between what Blair says is going on and what his body is telling Jim. But Blair knows his intentions towards Jim are good and it's frustrating to be doubted without cause (in your own mind). And that's the thing I want to catch in this series. *g* We'll see if I manage to pull it off.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

*nodnod* Yes, your explanation about Blair's MO definitely works here. I can see it as well.

I actually like the angle you're using, and it makes for a pretty complex characterisation/story. I like those fics which dwell deeper into our guys' psyche, and I always thought there was more to Blair than the care-free and easy-going guy we're all seeing. Which is why I'd find interesting to see how you'd deal with the whole thing *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

Well, that would be one of the reasons for all the Blair-angst and Blair-owie fics -- trying to crack the happy-go-lucky surface and find out what's underneath. I'm looking forward to adding my own contribution to the list.

Speaking of deeper looks into the guys' psyches, how's the next 'Night' story coming along? I'm really enjoying your take on it.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Speaking of deeper looks into the guys' psyches, how's the next 'Night' story coming along? I'm really enjoying your take on it.

It's coming nicely, thanks *g* I was supposed to work on it seriously this weekend and spent most of my time outside so couldn't. My plan for today having been cancelled I'll try to do it, but I sorta have a mini-paper to write for my class tomorrow anyway, so I'm not sure lol

Thanks for the interest *g*

[carodee.livejournal.com]

That's great news about the next installment. I hope you get a nice clear chunk of time to work on it soon. *g* I'll be checking Squidge regularly, I can tell you!

[patk.livejournal.com]

>I was very careful in Sleeper to make it clear that Jim genuinely liked Blair (more than he realized or was comfortable with), even though he was clearly using Blair sexually.<

Which was one of the things I liked in this story as well. I remember, one of my thoughts on this story were "Jim, you have no clue how *much* you like this guy who "isn't really your type"." *g* I mean, it shows clearly that Jim feels respect for Blair, and in my book, that's one of the highest honors Jim can give a person (and certainly isn't easy to earn) because it takes them to *his* level, makes them equal in a way. I think Jim has high standards and Blair meeting this standards, even exceeding Jim's expectations, brings Jim to a new level of respect for Blair. And respect is one thing I consider as crucical for love. Respect has to be one stone in the foundation of love, or a relationship, be it a loving one or *just* friends, has no future.

Jim's judgement "He's a lover, not a fighter" is pretty much wrong. *G* Blair certainly prefers *not* to fight, if he can avoid it, but he shows us clearly that he's also up to fight if the situation requires it. I just love that little scene
in Poachers when he tries to knock out the guy who threatens him with a gun. But since this story is set shortly after "The Rig", Jim is entitled to this misjudgement. *g*

"Who is this guy? I think I'm in love," *g* this thought of Jim had me grinning, simply because I thought "well, you'll get reason to fall in love with him then. Wait until the later eps." ;-)

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[patk.livejournal.com]

See, I think it's perfectly natural that Jim, as a sentinel, wants a companion who is *also* able to fight, not only talk his way out of a situation. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with talking someone out of a situation, but when push comes to shove, it's reassuring to know your back-up *can* fight, isn't it? I don't see anything wrong with having Jim having sexual preferences for this type of man also, a fighter.

Interesting thing is, that Blair struggles right from the start to gain Jim's respect. Simon's also, but mostly Jim's. In a way, over the series Blair "grows" on the challenge that is Jim to him. I always felt, that Blair in a way had the urge to convince Jim that he was Jim's "equal", a "real" partner for Jim, and worked on reaching this goal in various ways. Manipulation included. One of the most honest moments between them was the famous kitchen-scene from Warriors.

When Blair finally has it up to here with the reassuring tactics because he doesn't get through to Jim, he simply overrides Jim's resistance. He tells him in no uncertain words what has to be done *now* and what they *will* do, *now* and then he shoves Jim more or less out of the door.

And what does Jim? Jim who outweights Blair, who is the one with the combat-training?

But again, this happens several eps after The Rig. *g*

"...underneath the soft exterior, Sandburg is all male" Yes, Jim, he is, always was and if you get to know him better, you'll finally see more of this. I think in this early stage Jim starts to see and feels the things which are under the layer of "soft" Sandburg. Too bad Jim wasn't present when Blair threw Lash this "you'll not only *never* be able to be me, you'll not even *ever* be good enough to lick my shoes"-look in Cypher.

This was the first time I recognized that Blair has a reckless side and that his "soft" layer indeed cover a pretty steely core. Personally, I think that Blair, hadn't he been tied up in this chair, would have been able to kill Lash in this moment.

It's pretty obvious that Jim vaguely feels that there's *more* to Blair than he knows and that it is this side he responds to, sexually.

"I can't help smiling back, but my heart sinks. This guy refuses to abandon ship, risks death to defuse a bomb, saves dozens of lives, and now he looks just like an eager puppy wanting to play. Sandburg is well and truly back undercover again and about as sexy as a twelve year old."

What Jim doesn't know at this point is, that the "harder" side of Blair is *really* there and - more important - a constant part of Blair's character. Jim doesn't have a grip on this side of Blair at this point, he doesn't know what to make out of this vague impressions. He hasn't sorted out Sandburg at this point - it's a "Jim on it's way but not quite there" situation.

Despite the growing respect he feels for Blair, he still has the feeling of being superior to him and getting those glimpses of the "harder" Sandburg makes him feel uncomfortable (despite the fact that this is sexually attractive for him). After all, a strong guy is also a more dangerous guy. Yeah, trust... *G* This Jim is about to become a problem as soon as he will see more of this side of Blair.

Jim asks himself who the real Sandburg is, but the answer is pretty simple. Both Sandburgs are the real, both sides belong to his nature. It's simply a matter of the situation which one is on top and needed and therefore shown to the world.

Pat
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[carodee.livejournal.com]

Now, I remember how interesting and how much work discussing TS is with you! *g* I'm a sprinter and you're a long-distance discusser.

...it shows clearly that Jim feels respect for Blair, ...

I agree that Jim needs to respect somebody before he can trust them, and he won't let himself really love without that trust. Lust, OTOH, is a completely different matter.

Jim's judgment "He's a lover, not a fighter" is pretty much wrong.

I wouldn't say that, because I think Blair thinks he is and acts like that. He's got very heavy Naomi training in that area. Frankly, with all Blair's posturing, I'm not surprised Jim's buying his story. Plus, Jim's had a lot of life training that guys you can trust and respect come in macho packages. Less than totally masculine men might have good intentions but can't follow through in emergencies -- that makes them untrustworthy. Yes, I know that's stupid, but, hey,... *g*

Interesting thing is, that Blair struggles right from the start to gain Jim's respect.

Well, Blair's studied warrior tribes and he knows the dynamic. Without respect, you never get accepted by the group. There's no way he doesn't see the correlation with Jim and MC.

In a way, over the series Blair "grows" on the challenge that is Jim to him.

I find it very interesting how effective Blair is in Jim's world. I think that if Blair had had Jim's training, he would be one scary dude and Jim's little fantasy sort of reflects that awareness.

One of the most honest moments between them was the famous kitchen-scene from Warriors.

It's so cool that you mention Warriors, because the sequel is based on that ep. It's that exact scene that I hope to revisit (like the shower scene in The Rig for Sleeper). Blair's dominance would trigger Jim's not-so-latent attraction. They're both upset and guilty over Incacha's and Janet's death and I can see Jim subconsciously provoking Blair as a way of getting closer.

Personally, I think that Blair, hadn't he been tied up in this chair, would have been able to kill Lash in this moment.

I agree. I think Blair is capable of violence and, while he might feel sickened by the necessity, I don't think it would stop him for one minute nor would he be incapacitated by it afterwards as happens in a lot of fic. There's a very hard core survivor under the academic surface or he wouldn't have been capable of becoming Jim's partner at all.

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[carodee.livejournal.com]

It's pretty obvious that Jim vaguely feels that there's *more* to Blair than he knows and that it is this side he responds to, sexually.

Thank you! Exactly what I was going for. This Jim's got some very rigid expectations that means consciously Blair's not lover material, but unconsciously Blair's the whole package and Jim's responding to that. It just takes him forever to figure out. *g*

Despite the growing respect he feels for Blair, he still has the feeling of being superior to him and getting those glimpses of the "harder" Sandburg makes him feel uncomfortable (despite the fact that this is sexually attractive for him). After all, a strong guy is also a more dangerous guy. Yeah, trust... *G* This Jim is about to become a problem as soon as he will see more of this side of Blair.

Hmm... this is interesting. I'm going to have to think about this. Wonder if Blair knows this and that explains the dilemma -- How does he get Jim's respect, without threatening him? He does give off a lot of beta male signals. Now I'm wondering if Blair's continuing to dress like a grunge student with the long hair and geekspeak loooong after he's assimilated the group dynamics is an effort to avoid threatening everyone. I can't imagine Blair insisting on wearing long hair on a field expedition to a tribe where long hair would have negative and not useful cultural meanings. I think he'd cut it in a New York second. Why hasn't he done it here? Because it evokes the harmless geek and people can laugh at him, instead of resenting him, when he's brilliant and saves the day? Hmm... I might use that in this story or I might save it in the plotbunny file. It would be interesting to explore that.

Jim asks himself who the real Sandburg is, but the answer is pretty simple. Both Sandburgs are the real, both sides belong to his nature. It's simply a matter of the situation which one is on top and needed and therefore shown to the world.

Yes, it's a practical issue. Which part is useful when?

Well, this has been fun. Thanks for your comments, Pat. As always, you've given me much to think about. *g*

Caro

[patk.livejournal.com]

Forget to say what I meant to say abou the rest of your comment:

Yes.

On all points. *g*

Pat

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[carodee.livejournal.com]

Hey Pat, I'm not sure you got a notice, but mouse posted in the thread and I responded there. I'd be interested in any comments you might have.

[audrarose.livejournal.com]

Where did this happen to you? On a forum? I'm in a discourse on slash discussion group on Yahoo, and something similar came up - doesn't it seem ridiculous for slashers to be internally divisive, when from the outside we might all be viewed as "sick"? We should stick together.

(Tell me who said this to you... I'll go beat them up. In a non-violent way, of course. *g*)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Ohhhh my wife is coming to the rescue! How sweet is it to have a protective and kick-ass wifey *kisses*

It wasn't directed at me, don't worry *g* It was one of those mails people send where they talk about how they hate whatever-the-hell-it-is-they-hate but usually can't stop here and start dissing other people who do, know the kind?

They're always saying stuff like 'I just gave my opinion, do you know what Freedom of Speech means?' But there's a difference between saying I loathe jerk!Jim fics and hate it when writers write him this way because this isn't how he is, ie how I think he is and I loathe jerk!Jim fics and hate it when writers write him this way because this isn't how he is, ie how I think he is and I can't understand people who do and they're just so wrong and they promote 'cruelty and violence' and they don't know shit about the show and the character blah blah blah. The former is giving a personal opinion and it's okay with me, the latter is not - IMHO, I mean *g*

And this is why the bunch of mails sent at the ML annoyed me - because those people couldn't apparently understand that a) people sometimes enjoy a different characterisation than their little fellow slashers and b) no it's not demonising a character.

I'm sorta getting used to those convo where people like me who like to walk on the darker side of the fandom road gets 'frowned upon' by a certain part of said fandom, and technically I couldn't care less about what others think, because I do accept different tastes in different people and I never mind when someone hates or even can't understand something I just love. What gets to me is when those same people imply their own vision of things is right...

Well, was that rambly or what? lol

[audrarose.livejournal.com]

"Ohhhh my wife is coming to the rescue! How sweet is it to have a protective and kick-ass wifey *kisses*"

No one messes with my girl. *kisses back* *g*

"And this is why the bunch of mails sent at the ML annoyed me - because those people couldn't apparently understand that a) people sometimes enjoy a different characterisation than their little fellow slashers and b) no it's not demonising a character."

Exactly. I don't understand why it bothers people so much. I can't stand super-mushy fic but why say anything - other people love it. If I don't, I just.don't.read.it. You know, some slashers seem to be a pretty intolerant bunch, when by virtue of our subject matter you'd think we would be all about tolerance. ::sigh::

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You know, some slashers seem to be a pretty intolerant bunch, when by virtue of our subject matter you'd think we would be all about tolerance.

They certainly have a short memory, indeed. Double standards much? *sigh*

[hypertwink.livejournal.com]

I think you hit it right on the nose about Matthew Fox. From party of Five to Haunted to Lost, I think the mystique that surrounds Matt is the fact that he's a guy's guy (even when he was skinny, gangly Chalie SAlinger) but when he cries, oooh, you just want to hold him tight and make very damn thing that made him scared or sad go away.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Exactly, yes! He just exudes something special in those scenes and I just can't resist *g*

[hypertwink.livejournal.com]

Speaking of Lost, did I miss your upload of Lost 107? I know I'm sooo a parasite but it's the only way I can get Lost. Well, until the networks here get a clue and show Lost here.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You didn't miss it, I was going to do it today *g* And from that point of view, we're all parasites because I sure depend on someone else to download my own files, so no problem at all, seriously lol

Anyway, I have another link and it may still be active so try it (http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=315F8A4A454CF75F42D720D0144D1175) and tell me if it doesn't work *g*