RPS pondering.

[castalie]

Funny moment of the evening, watching my aunt shave my godfather's chest for his surgery tomorrow and seeing him wince and fidget as if he were being tortured. Cozy moment of the evening, cooking a Chinese meal together waiting for The Mom to come back from work. Slashy moment of the evening, well, when I'll starting reading the fics over at oz_magi :-)

Confession time: when I first heard about Nip/Tuck, I thought it was a pairing as opposed to a show. Thing is, well, sure the names kinda sounded odd but what do I know about American names, right? Also, when I saw the very first mentions of House, I thought it was a new reality tv show where people built houses. Which is the reason why I didn't get what the fuss was about but once again, I was all, hey why not? Because, seriously, hey why not. And in case you're wondering what the hell I'm rambling about, this little confession was brought to you after a discussion about how no matter how many years in fandom land you've been, your newbie status never completely disappears and you can still make silly mistakes.

Also, I was thinking of doing the Guilty Pleasure meme but I always have a problem with those because though I do have a lot of pleasure doing a lot of things, I'm rarely felling guilt about them. Like, reading/writing incest should be - well, maybe - a guilty pleasure except no, it's absolutely not. It is awfully pleasurable though *nods* I guess chocolate is a guilty pleasure because as a woman in the kind of society we live in, we're supposed to feel guilty each time we do something that omg could put weight on our bodies but dude, chocolate is so good that society's expectations can go fuck themselves! *fumes*

Wait, where was I? Oh yeah, the guilty pleasure meme is damn hard to do, thanks.

No wait! Maybe reading certain RPS might be a guilty pleasure... but not every pairing in RPS so I guess that's a bit hypocritical odd. But maybe I'd feel a bit guilty about reading certain pairings yes - unless it's just because we're not used to reading them? I don't know.

Okay let's take the fandoms I'm in: so I read lotrips on a regular basis [David Wenham is LOVE] and I've also read Numb3rs RPS, Stargate RPS, as well as Supernatural RPS and I'm sure some others. Technically, the only RPS I've never read is TS - except for a crack!fic, it seems - and sometimes I wonder, would I feel comfortable reading one or not? And then I wonder why because, you know, as far as fanfic is concerned? I can say I have very few lines and should I have some, they're kinda blurred so I could miss them altogether.

Yeah anyway, I was just wondering, as you do every now and then...

ETA: Speaking of multi-fandom RPS, Pretty Lights went live.

Comments

[improperlydone.livejournal.com]

Don't know if you read this, but there is TS RPS:

http://prettylights.compromisingpositions.net/moonridge.html

Just trying to be a good little LJ person. :)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Already read that one, the girl belongs to my flist - but thanks all the same *g* That's the one I called 'crack!fic' because Nan keeps calling it that :-) It seems she did out of love for her beloved brooklinegirl, too *g*

You certainly are a good lj!person lol

[moimoietmoi.livejournal.com]

Re: your guilty pleasure meme, it really feels like I can get used to reading anything. If you'd asked me if I read incest fics a year ago, I would've been surprised and maybe a bit shocked because I'd never even thought about it. Now it's just another kind of fic I read.
I think you can get used to pretty much anything, except when it deals with squicks.

[greedy_dancer]

what she said (look, we even have matching icons! lol)

i know we've talked about this before, but i forget RPS is a "guilty secret" in some fandoms. obviously, since my main fandom has been Lotrips for years, and well, the name says it all! but i remember back when i was into QAF and RPS was not allowed on the board, and we were pointed at "oooh, that's pervy and irrespectuous to the actors! EVIL!!" lol

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You're icon sisters lol

Yeah, you would see it differently, would you? lol Must be a cultural shock each time you speak to people who are outside the lotrips fandom, well the portion that does think that rps is dirty, wrong and omg so immoral and evil, that is *g*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I always thought I would have more squicks than that - as it is... I think lots of us are pretty squick challenged lol

[moimoietmoi.livejournal.com]

I think lots of us are pretty squick challenged lol
Sometimes, I have a hard time remembering my kinks aren't "normal" for most people! lol

[spikedluv]

I so agree with you about the guilty pleasure thing, lol! A while a go, a shame meme was going around, and I was like, well, I've written a, b and c, but I don't feel shame for any of it! Not a lick of shame. *g*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Yes that one was hard to do too lol I mean, they're the same after all, and we're back to square one with our shameless selves *eg*

[drinteot.livejournal.com]

I always enjoy reading your thoughts on subjects like the 'guilty pleasures' and the RPS and the incest because you don't lay burdens on people or yourself; you just enjoy. Which is damn refreshing and sort of makes my world brighter. You are seriously, aggressively optimistic and as a seriously, aggressively pessimistic person I thank you.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Damn, that is such a beautiful compliment! Thanks a lot</>! And I'm glad you're enjoying my rambling in such a way :-)

[foofasaurus.livejournal.com]

I do have guilty pleasures, and a large part of that is because who I'm friends with. Most of the people in my online life that I hold dear are very... I don't know what the term is, but they don't like any of the things that are conventionally thought of as guilty pleasures -- RPS, incest, or even slash, to name a few. And several of them take that dislike to a level of judgmental disapproval; I've seen them openly mock slash and the people who like it, RPS, or even whole fandoms they think are silly.

They're good enough friends that they don't ever take that attitude with me. It took me a while, but I finally admitted openly that I like slash, and they've never said or done anything to make me feel bad about it.

But see, I know they still don't like it and still make fun of the people who do. And I know it's even worse with incest and RPS. So what happens is I don't have the courage to be upfront about those things I like. I know they'd never say anything to me and maybe they don't even think of me as the very same type of person they mock, but it paralyzes me thinking that I might post something about RPS and they'd sit there and think to themselves "WTF, Alysa is so gross."

So I actually do end up feeling guilty about my pleasures. It's messed up and I know I shouldn't, but I can't help it.

(And God, I'm so addicted to Chris/Michael SG-1 RPS, even though I only know one person who writes it, but daaaamn does she write it well)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

But then, it would be more a guilt induced by others than it is by yourself, right? As in, if your friends thought differently, you wouldn't feel the same way, ie you would just enjoy those things you love, period. And I guess, most of the time, guilt is provoked by others' perceptions and all but one could say deep inside, you're more or less free of, say, self guilty pleasure as you see them as true pleasure first?

I certainly hope it never really spoils your fun, though? And hey, once on-line, you're in good company, right? :-)

Also wait! Could you give me a link for Chris/Michael, then? I might have already read those but I might have missed them and dude, it would be a pity lol

[foofasaurus.livejournal.com]

Yeah, the guilt is induced by others, instead of being my own. But it's guilt all the same, you know? Though in more depressed moments I do feel like I should be guilty just for liking it, but those are just depressed moments.

It can spoil my fun, actually. Not so much when I'm reading the fic, because nobody can spoil that, but I can't share my pleasure on my LJ like you do, and I feel like I can't try to write any of my guilty pleasures because where would I post any of it? Where would I talk about it? So it's like my guilty pleasures are kept very compartmentalized, and not really allowed to be enjoyed to their fullest like my regular hobbies are.

And I'm referring to dirty_diana's fic. I still owe her something SG-1 RPS, but like I said -- I feel like I can't write it because feeling like I have to hide it. But I think all of her RPF (some's het) is archived here: http://shockingpink.compromisingpositions.net/stuff/index.html except for maybe a few drabbles or fun little rambles.

(Sorry if none of this makes sense. I've been awake and on the go for untold hours. =_=)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Ouch, it really sucks if it can spoil your fun, yes. I certainly wish you felt 'free' enough to be able to talk about everything you wanted on your journal. Not that you have to, of course, but if it's something that you miss doing, well yeah, it sucks *hugs*

And you know, there was a time - when I first got into Numb3rs - that I was hesitant to mention incest. I mean, it didn't last long, granted, but still, I felt like I had to censor myself. Thing is, it was because of one girl in my flist who was pretty gung ho on insulting and demeaning those who enjoyed that kind of fics. So one day, when I realised I really was getting into the Eppes love that way, I defriended her and felt much happier afterwards. She, of course, did the same with me since she couldn't have my type of people on her flist and everyone was happy.

Which isn't to say it's the way to go to feel guilt free or anything, but I'm just saying, I did know the feeling. For a couple of weeks and then I thought, man, I want to enjoy what I like, full stop, so yeah :-)

And thanks for the recs, I'll definitely check those fics out later :-)

[sockich.livejournal.com]

Also, I was thinking of doing the Guilty Pleasure meme but I always have a problem with those because though I do have a lot of pleasure doing a lot of things, I'm rarely felling guilt about them. Like, reading/writing incest should be - well, maybe - a guilty pleasure except no, it's absolutely not. It is awfully pleasurable though *nods* I guess chocolate is a guilty pleasure because as a woman in the kind of society we live in, we're supposed to feel guilty each time we do something that omg could put weight on our bodies but dude, chocolate is so good that society's expectations can go fuck themselves! *fumes*

This? Totally the best paragraph in the history of paragraphs. Or, you know, the one I agree with most. Ever. ;)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Lol Happy you enjoyed the rambling, miss *bows*

[enigel]

as well as Supernatural RPS

Any recs? :D

chocolate is so good that society's expectations can go fuck themselves!

Well said. *munches blissfully on her chocolate cake* I don't think I've ever internalised that social requirement anyway...

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Any recs?

No fic comes to mind, but you should check the SPN newsletter, everything is over there *g*

I don't think I've ever internalised that social requirement anyway...

And that's why I love you lol

[turps33.livejournal.com]

Man, I love your ramblings.

It's funny, I remember back when I was just getting into rps, and was thinking of getting another LJ. But that was more because of how other people would react, not any guilt of my own. Now, I don't give a damn about who knows. I read/write rps, boyband rps even. I love the cest, the darkfic, the nc stuff, the angst the pain, the torture, heck, I even read schmoop at times ;)

I don't have a point really. Just more wanting to say, awesome post!

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Why, thank you, sis - always happy to see we're on the same page, though er, was there any doubt, seriously? lol

Yeah, there is two kind of guilt, like the one you would feel deep inside and the one that would be induced by others. It's not exactly the same thing even though yes, in the end, there might be guilt, but still...

And I remember a time myself when I didn't talk about incest - so okay it didn't last long - because of a girl in my flist who was always quite aggressive towards those who liked it. So after a couple of weeks and when I felt the Eppes incest love grow, I just deleted her and went to town - I knew she wouldn't like an incest lover on her flist so I just thought hey, better let her go first, she'll do the same with me - for good reasons - and everyone will be happy.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

And of course what I meant was that I 'defriended' her lol Dude, I think I have Issues with that woman. Which I do, I know, I think she's the only person that was on my flist that I defriended for personal reasons and the only one which made me wonder why I'd ever friended her in the first place.