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[castalie]

Work is being such an ass today. It was already cranky yesterday but today is even worse. It's even more frustrating that I'm this close to solve the bloody problem except it just doesn't want to cooperate and it's apparently determined to drive me a bit insane *smites*

And the flist isn't cooperating either since everything is about the latest drama. No porn of any kind, sadly.

I have to say that, as a whole, I usually don't trust Fandom as far as wanks go. I mean, you know how much I love, nay, how much I adore Fandom, but it's not exactly known for being reasonable nor is it known for its level-headness. Or, at least, that's how I see it. Not to say everyone will agree.

So I usually just wait for the drama to be over and for everyone to go back to the important things, namely write fics and speak about shows and, why, yes I do have my priorities right, why? ;-) Except that this time it seems the drama was actually justified?

Well, not to the extremes I've seen some people go - though, hey, everyone is entitled to it, just because I might not agree doesn't mean I think people are wrong in how they react to things - but I've read some of the latest news/articles that were linked on the flist, as opposed to just spread rumours, and I can't say I liked what I read here, I'll admit. I don't know, I'm waiting to see where the whole thing is going - if it's going somewhere - and hoping some of the things I read aren't going to become a trend on LJ...

But, see, I couldn't be upset over the whole thing because with fandom it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf; wanks and mass panic ensue so often for no reason that I never know whether I'm supposed to look at things with a closer look on not. And also, I guess I usually don't take certain things as seriously as some people do. So, again, I'll just wait and see how things go...

Still, I'll be impatiently waiting for the porn calm to come back.

And on other news; I finally have my very own SPN s1 box-set! It was released yesterday and I went there with my fake!bdayvoucher but very real money and treated myself with the thing. It's shiny and pretty and it's all spn all the time and it has extras and it filled me with glee :-)

ETA: I've always been curious as to how many fandom oriented journals there could be on LJ and, thanks to fandom_counts, we can now start to have an idea. As of this minute we're at 24061 24126 24127 24166 and counting. greedy_dancer, I can sorta understand your obsession with the refresh thing now lol It's pretty neat seeing the figure rise with each new click!

Comments

porn!!

[jennixen.livejournal.com]

http://sage-theory.livejournal.com/187626.html?nc=12&style=mine

[hakeer.livejournal.com]

I think your priorities are exactly right. :D

[enigel]

And that's just the people who have heard about it and have agreed to be counted... :D

About the drama: well, it's not a good sign when simply having "incest" in your interests list could get you suspended...

[tya-rc.livejournal.com]

Non, franchement, je suis 100% d'accord avec toi.

LJ a fait une grosse, grosse connerie, mais je ne vois pas du tout l'intérêt de répondre à leur post d'excuses avec des dizaines et des dizaines de pages de "On vous fera plus jamais confiance! Je ne renouvellerai pas mon abonnement payant!" Et puis tout le monde veut tout savoir en détail, pourquoi ils ont osés parler 5 minutes à un journaliste avant de faire un post sur LJ. Pourquoi aujourd'hui, pourquoi leur nouvelle policy, et blablabla...

Pas plus que je ne comprends les gens qui ont f-locké leur LJ parce qu'il y avait du slash, alors que depuis le début LJ Abuse a répondu par email (et les emails ont été publiés un peu partout) qu'ils visaient la promotion d'activités illégales dans les profils et intérêts. Ca n'a aucun sens pour moi que tout le monde se soit mis en vrille comme ça.

Sérieusement, je vois encore un post qui dit "OMG THEY ARE GOING AFTER SLASH NEXT" et je me baffe. Je vois pas du tout, mais alors pas du tout, le rapport entre le slash (et le porn) et les mots "child abuse, rape, etc..."
Les fandoms sont vraiment très susceptibles, et ils ont tendance à se faire peur eux-mêmes avec leur conjonctions apocalyptiques.

Surtout que, honnêtement, si LJ, hypothétiquement, en venait à ne pas accepter le slash, je ne vois pas l'intérêt de f-locker son LJ pour rester dans une communauté qui officiellement te crache dessus. Ou ils acceptent ce que j'aime, ou je leur épargnerais même la peine de fermer mon LJ en le faisant moi-même.

Sérieux. Pis du coup j'ai plus aucun plaisir à lire ma F-list, c'est que du drama -_-

[x5-536.livejournal.com]

i'm sorry but i really disagree with this comment.

Et puis tout le monde veut tout savoir en détail, pourquoi ils ont osés parler 5 minutes à un journaliste avant de faire un post sur LJ. Pourquoi aujourd'hui, pourquoi leur nouvelle policy, et blablabla...
because it's called customer service and they owe it to us paid members? i only got annoyed at LJ BECAUSE they didn't tell us what was going on. i don't know how it's like where you live, but if i had handled a customer complaint like that at work, i would have been fired on the spot. you do not handle customer complaints by issuing statements to the press or not telling them what is going on. and it's not only avant de faire un post sur LJ, c'est presque *24 heures* apres qu'ils ont post sur LJ.

e vois pas du tout, mais alors pas du tout, le rapport entre le slash (et le porn) et les mots "child abuse, rape, etc..."
neither do we! that was the whole point of all this, wasn't it? they deleted fandom communities (as far as i know, most of them were hp slash communities) and fandom roleplaying journals simply because they listed "incest" as interest. so, in other words, they did not make any distinction between child abuse, rape and slash. which understandably enough, led to fandom revolt.

LJ Abuse a répondu par email (et les emails ont été publiés un peu partout) qu'ils visaient la promotion d'activités illégales dans les profils et intérêts.
errr, those emails were sent to the owners of *fandom communities* (mostly hp slash) telling them that their communities had been suspended for doing EXACTLY THAT and would remain PERMANENTLY suspended. (of course, the latest news posts says otherwise, but it took them over 24 hours to change their decision.).

the omg they are going after slash rumours started after someone pointed out that Warriors for Innocence are homophobic (with proof) and therefore specifically targeted those communities. yes, it got out of hand because that's pushing it a bit for me too. and i do truly believe that the reason it got this bad ( i've had to endure pirates song and ugly macros all day!) is because of the lack of an official statement from LJ. had they done something to control the damage 24 hours ago, it would never have gotten this bad.

i'm not trying to change your opinion or anything, but i just felt the need to give my point of view. that said, fandom does tend to be obsessive and irrational at times so i guess there was a lot of overreacting as well.

[jennixen.livejournal.com]

I don't want to be mean or start a fight, but you do realise they can delete all ommunitites that have fics with Sam and Dean? Incest is illegal...

[tya-rc.livejournal.com]

Ils ont viré les journals par rapport au fait qu'ils considèrent, et c'est la définition qu'il y a sur la page d'édition du profil, que les intérêts sont ce que les gens aiment. C'est pour ça que certaines communautés ont été virées, par parce qu'elles traitaient de slash. Le fait qu'ils n'aient pas reviewé les journals et communautés pour savoir de quoi il s'agissait en réalité est inacceptable, mais je ne vois pas l'intérêt de leur cracher dessus dans leur post d'excuses.

Je suis peut-être trop passive, ou naive, mais leurs excuses et leur promesse qu'ils vont maintenant reviewer les journals et comms (s'ils le font, évidemment) sont suffisantes pour moi. Je comprends les fans qui se sont insurgés contre les délétions, mais je ne comprends pas pourquoi ils ont tous commencé à flipper sur le slash et qu'ils continuent maintenant de raler avant de voir exactement les corrections entrepries par LJ.

Agir sur le moment, je suis pour. Tout le monde s'est bougé pour que LJ se rende compte de son erreur, et ça c'est une bonne chose. Mais maintenant que LJ s'est effectivement rendu compte de son erreur, ça serait bien de se calmer un peu avec les "On vous l'avait bien dit".

Quant à WoI, oui, ils sont cinglés, mais LJ a bien dit qu'ils n'avaient pas revu leur policy en fonction des directives de WoI, mais que ceux-ci avaient entrainés une remise en question et une prise de décisions par rapport à des problèmes soulevés par WoI. LJ n'est pas stupide, loin de là, et je crois qu'ils font bien la différence entre slash et pédophilie - et ce n'est pas un groupe de cinglés leur disant le contraire qui va les convaincre.


you do not handle customer complaints by issuing statements to the press or not telling them what is going on.

Et pourtant, combien de companies le font? Les conférences de presse servent toujours d'information pour les particuliers en même temps qu'une info pour les officiels, il ne faut pas se leurrer. Ca marche peut-être moins comme ça avec les petites entreprises, mais avec les grosses boîtes c'est toujours comme ça. Ils ne prennent jamais la peine d'envoyer les infos aux particuliers, laissent les gens dans le noir et leurs problèmes, jusqu'à ce qu'un discours à la presse donne quelques explications.


De toute façon je n'ai jamais dit qu'il n'y avait pas eu de gros problèmes et de grosses incohérences dans la façon dont LJ a traité le problème. Il y a eu un manque de communication, certes. Mais je ne vois pas pourquoi les gens n'essaient pas de se calmer maintenant qu'ils ont eu gain de cause.

[tya-rc.livejournal.com]

Only with real people. Incest between fictional characters is perfectly legal.

They just didn't take the time to review the communities to know if they were dealing with real people or fictional characters.

[jennixen.livejournal.com]

"We did a review of our policies related to how we review those sites, those journals, and came up with the fact that we actually did have a number of journals up that we didn't think met our policies and didn't think they were appropriate to have up," Barak Berkowitz, chairman and chief executive of Six Apart, said in a telephone interview.

I don't think they separate reality from fiction, and therefore it doesn't matter if it's fictional characters. And the questions is where it's going next.

So yes, they can delete all communitites that deal with ficion regarding illegal activitites. Such as incest.

[tya-rc.livejournal.com]

Except that he admitted, in his excuses post, that they didn't review the journals and merely suspended them because of what was listed on their profiles.


They aren't stupid, they aren't going to separate reality from fiction. If they do, they'll have to delete all communities dealing with novels dealing with illegal activities, they'll have to delete all RP communities, since there's always a villain of sort, and they'll have to delete all fanfictions communities, because there's always a point in fanfic where there's a bad guy doing something wrong.

Do you seriously think that they are such big fools?

[jennixen.livejournal.com]

No, I think they'll delete comms at random when it fits them. Until the next group comes around and complains about Adult stuff on LiveJournal. Because there will always be a next time...

[sockich.livejournal.com]

I'm completely disgusted at how LJ/6Apart handled things, but my love for fandom is stronger then ever. We all came together and the reaction and ideas and contingency plans are just awesome. Fandom kicks ass. ♥

[greedy_dancer]

aw, poor Mouse, you had to deal with wank everywhere on the Flist and now in your own comments! *hugs*

I do agree, where is the porn? although, well, sometime a reminder is useful. my whole day yesterday was consumed by wank, i guess it shows just how little i had to do in RL .. lol

(although you know, i did write a little snippet! lol /shameless self-pimp)

ANYWAY. how are the extras on the boxset? worth buying? or should we buy an american or british version or something?

[greedy_dancer]

ok, let me rephrase that last part: obviously it's worth buying since you bought it, what i meant is how does it hold up to other versions? lol

[sockich.livejournal.com]

Well, d'oh. Reading/writing fanfic makes you a pedophile, didn't you know? :-/

[alinewrites.livejournal.com]

I don't read my flist any more, except for you. "Je préfère mieux d'écrire du porno"
This paranoïa gets on my nerves and the hysteria-induced reactions are very exaggerate. I agree with you; I want the calm back.

Re: porn!!

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the link! I'll tab the fic as soon as I'm home tonight :-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Lol I had the feeling you'd agree :-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I also like how fandom is really just a small fish in the pond if you consider the majority of journals. Not that I ever doubted it but, I don't know, it amuses me in a way. Some fannish people have such a huge entitlement issue as far as LJ goes, it might put some things in perspective. Or not.

Oh, anyway, I don't care, I have to say lol As long as I have fun with my fannish flist, it's okay :-)

The journals and even communities were restored, weren't they? That's encouraging, at least. We'll see how it goes.

[enigel]

Well, like someone else noted, it would be better if we could add all the fannish communities to that community, since there's a lot of them, but it's technically impossible.

But yeah, it still wouldn't reach the millions I suppose. But we still matter. We pump a lot of money, for one. ;)

And now I can't post! Woe, we broke LJ.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Ca, pour faire une connerie, ils en ont fait une belle, c'est clair. Apparemment ils se sont excusés - je me doute bien que c'est plus par intérêt qu'autre chose, mais quand même, c'est déjà bien d'admette qu'ils ont merdé - et ils ont réinstallé les communautés et journaux qui avaient été victimes de la purge pour rien, je crois ? Au moins, quelque chose a été fait. C'est encourageant.

Y a des trucs qui ont été dit par 6A qui le sont moins, mais en attendant, des mesures ont été prises pour réparer leur bourde... faut bien commencer quelque part.

Maintenant, évidemment que ça me fait chier de penser que parce qu'un intérêt ne leur plait pas ils pourraient éventuellement effacer des journaux pour de bon. Mais c'est pas le cas puisque qu'ils ont bien restoré les comms/journaux qui ne présentaient rien de repréhensible. On verra bien si les choses évoluent mais d'ici à prédire la fin du monde... c'est légèrement prématuré.

Disons que c'est là que le bas blesse, en fait; j'ai parfois l'impression que le fandom se discrédite presque tout seul, à partir en vrille tout le temps pour rien. Au final, tu sais jamais si c'est justifié ou non.

Mais bon, moi je l'adore le Fandom, donc c'est juste mon problème, comme ils disent :-) Et puis certains pourraient me répondre que je m'implique pas assez, finalement, tout est une question de point de vue *g*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

They could have handled things better, that's for sure; it'd certainly have spared them the whole drama.

Now, I usually also think that fandom could handle things differently as well... but, still, fandom is fandom is fandom :-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Lol I got a bit worried for a moment when I saw all those comments piling up and saw how long they were and all that; I was like, dude, don't tell me my buddies are gonna create wank in my own comments, in my own journal where I practically never ever even 'mention' the gazillion wanks that make fandom. Talk about irony if they had, right? ;-)

But I needn't worry, they're just discussing things in a civil way. It's all good :-)

I'll check your snippet out properly when I'm home tonight. And go you for writing a little something! *cheers*

As for the extras, they're the same as the American ones; unaired scenes, gag reel, a Day in the Life of Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki, a commentary and stuff like that...

[enigel]

That's just it, I don't think they'd have reviewed the journals if there wasn't such a huge outcry. You may think differently, and it's your right to have faith in them. :)

And that's all from me, I don't want to upset the Mouse, especially since I can't offer any reparatory porn.

A link, though? http://griseldajane.livejournal.com/93568.html Not porn, but beautiful and heartbreaking. (Sam and Dean, spoilers for AHBL 2.)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I think this is one of the main things that I dislike with Fandom. How people will overreact over, well, just about everything. With them, it's always the end of fandom, the end of slash, the end of fanfic, the end of livejournal, the end of the internets etc... I go with the flow, I love fandom, after all, and I don't deny anyone the right to react however they want, that's not my point, besides, as I said, some people could tell me I'm just not involved enough, but it's just that that's one thing I don't get, is all.

Though, you never know, I might overreact over something too one of these days. I'm just saying I'm not seeing it so far :-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

That's just it, I don't think they'd have reviewed the journals if there wasn't such a huge outcry. You may think differently, and it's your right to have faith in them. :)

Hey, you might be right, here. If that's true, then the huge outcry did have its benefits. I wish I would know one or the other, just to satisfy my curiosity ;-)

And that's all from me, I don't want to upset the Mouse, especially since I can't offer any reparatory porn.

Lol I guess I'm just not the right person to talk to when one wants to talk about Important Internet Things, sorry *g*

Thanks for the link; I'll tab the story tonight when I get back home.

[enigel]

Ah, sorry, it's not a story, it's artwork.

(Lately artwork is all I've had the attention span for, so in my mind it was obvious what it was. *g* Time to get off the internet for a while! Especially since I can't update my LJ. *pouts*)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Oh, ok, no problem, artwork is good too sometimes :-)

Time to get off the internet for a while

But you were entertaining me with your comments! *pout* Ok, then, abandon me and force me to work, see if I care! *pout*

You still can't update your LJ? That sucks. Have you watched the new Traveler, btw? I didn't though that's the plan for tonight :-)

OT

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Au fait, j'étais dans ma réponse et j'ai pas fait gaffe à un fait important alors me revoilà pour te souhaiter un Joyeux Anniversaire ! *bisous*

[enigel]

(Still not at work, oh Thor how do those people put up with me?! Oh, wait, I'm awesome when I finally do get there. Well, this will do. ;) )

I haven't had time to watch Traveler either! That's what I wanted to post about, that and a comm. pimping. :D

And don't worry, "a while" in this case means the time it takes me to crawl to work. :D

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Awesome people like you should totally have the right to go to work whenever they feel like it!

That's what I wanted to post about, that and a comm. pimping. :D

Sounds like it was gonna be a nice post *nods*

[turps33.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, my flist reading has got faster because I'm skimming so much now. Mistake were made, things were handled badly, but in the end I know things will keep on going and this will become a memory. An unpleasant one sure, but still.

Fandom won't go away, and as shallow as it is, that's mainly what I use LJ for. Bring on the fic and the porn. That is all.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I was skimming like crazy as well after a while. And, yes, LJ and S6 did screw up badly, but they also recognised it in the end and the comms and journal unfairly closed are up again now, as they should. Things seem back on level grounds now. Hopefully it'll keep. And the flist will go back to normal completely. It already started, which is nice because I miss my squeeing flist *is shallow too*