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[castalie]

Oh Ohhhhh, "Legacy" is on! One of my favorite SG episodes- among the *tons* of favorite SG episodes I have, granted, but still, who could resist such an angsty story or such an angsty!Daniel? No, I'm asking you! I'm always waiting to see Jack cradle Daniel close, and rock him, ya know? *sigh*

Anyway, speaking of SG. You know how internet, and MLs in particular, can look like a small village where everyone knows everyone, and where gossips are the norm? Well, something happened today. Don't know the details, but another writer went into hiding because of some hassle she had to go through- on-list and off-list, apparently. It's really weird cos two days ago, I wanted to write an entry about this writer and a particular story she'd just posted, and I didn't do it cos I felt it wasn't fair to do so... and now, I'm congratulating myself that I didn't.

Even though I must feel like the majority of the SG readers, ie that I think her Jack and Daniel are totally OOC and her stories way too much sappy and mushy for my liking, I feel bad for her. Apparently, she got called on her way of writing, and on the fact that she's a prolific writer who hits some of my MLs sometimes several times a week. She's been asked to stop doing so -- by our listmoms, I guess-- and I'm afraid she got flamed several times off-list, so she decided she didn't feel comfortable enough to keep on posting her stories on-list- from now on, she'll just post at her own site.

I really think it's sad. I mean, if you don't like a story, why the hell would you *read* it! I just do not understand those people who actually don't like a story and fucking read it til the end *and* waste their times sending a flame afterward!

Yes, I think this author writes OOC Jack and Daniel, yes I think her stories are so mushy it's not even funny, but so what? I actually sometimes read her fic, cos sometimes I feel like reading something totally different, and I see them as sort of AUs, anyway *g* Some of her stories are just too much over the top for me, and I stop reading those- is it so hard to do?? I also know there're readers who love her universe, and I'm fine with that, because hey we all have different tastes and different needs... why should this writer be punished for that?

*peeks at TV* Oh God, the scene between Jack and Daniel in the room where they played chess is over, and now we're seeing Daniel in the paddle room. I don't want to watch this scene *sob*

My poor Danny *still sobbing*

Anyway, I just feel bad for this particular writer, sorry about the little rant. Well, actually, no, I'm not sorry, but you know what I mean *g*

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[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

*hands out tissues* here honey *grabs one for herself* we must be strong and help Danny go through this by not crying our hearts out *tears in eyes*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

*puffy eyes* Not possible! *grabs the tissue* Thanks, hon'.

[ximeria.livejournal.com]

Dunno.
When I read the letter she sent to the lists I was caught somewhere between feeling sorry for her and smacking her upside the head (sorry) -- I'm not saying that I get every damned story beta'red -- because I don't. Not the shorties anyway *g*

And feedback? I don't get that much feedback when I post -- I don't specifically think it's because no one likes the stories or because they don't read them -- I just sit in my happy little world of denial and tell myself they're as flaky with feedback as I am *g* -- as for flames? I got some of those as well. What can I say? somtimes it goes well, sometimes not and you can't please everyone. -- Maybe it was a little much if the mods contacted her, but I have to say one thing. The woman takes EVERYTHING like a personal attack, at least from what I've seen. And if she hadn't been so damned whiny about this, ie she'd written her letter a LITTLE differently and not come off so whiny, I think actually she'd have had quite a bit of back-up from the list.

::shrugs::
Not everything is a bed of roses with fandom, and I'll admit that SG has its more bitchy members. Maybe I'm just thick skinned and cynical? I came directly from Smallville and compared to many of those lists, the SG lists are sweet and lovely -- no one can bitch and moan and flame like my old fandom...

Yes, I kinda feel sorry for her too, but not just because what happened, also the way she's handled it. And if the lack of fb bothers her? Geez, most of us are on several lists spanning several fandoms. We don't read the stories and do fb within the first five minutes after it's been posted.
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Legacy? Oooooh, one of my favorite eps. ::hands over box of kleenex::

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Some people do take a lot of what happens on-line at heart. I can't even say I felt sorry for her because she doesn't receive enough feedbacks. I mean, seeing her stories, I'm sorry to say I'm not surprised. I don't think whining about not getting any feedback is the best way to act, actually. To tell the truth, it's sometimes the best way not to receive any feedback from me, I admit lol

I felt sorry because she seemed to have received some crap, and really, it's the idea of her receiving flames, and then on top of that, receiving those mails from the listmoms that got to me. I think I felt sorry that she had to leave like this. Even though her characters weren't --IMHO-- Jack or Daniel, I think she should have the chance to keep writing, and post her stories wherever she wants, you know? I saw some positive LoCs coming sometimes, so I know some readers like her stuff...

I heard that the SV fandom could be quite hard, is it true, then?

[ximeria.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, of course she should have the chance to post. It's up to the people on the lists if they want to read it or just delete the stories. But I'm afraid it would take a bit from both sides to make it better. She'd have to learn not to take things to heart and learn the patience it takes to get a good beta and LEARN from said beta. Trust me, it's taken me years to find a few good betas. And everyone else? Well, those who KNOW how she writes, should just learn to use the delete key *g* or write her the kind of LoCs or general fb she can actually use. But yeah, it's an act of balance.

And one more thing. She needs to learn that acting like a drama queen does NOT win people over...

SV? Hard doesn't even begin to cover it, trust me. There seemed to be weekly kerfluffles about minor stuff. I'm kinda feeling good about the SG fandom. People are a lot less bitchy around here. More laid back. I've also noticed that a lot of SG fans are older than me, that wasn't the case with SV (I'm 26 *g*)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You know, I'm always baffled by the fact that I'm among the younger ones in most of the 'circles' I'm frequenting. I mean, in TS and SG, my listsibs often turn out to be older than me. I'm 24 *g* I just think this is funny- a good funny, of course lol

And yeah, SV seems to be quite hard, wow! It does have a reputation, that's for sure. And apparently it's not an usurped one *blink* I always wonder what makes a fandom a hard one or a soft one. Why are things going smoother in one compared to another? Even stranger, you sometimes find the same people in different fandoms, so what happens to those people?

[x5-536.livejournal.com]

::is confused:: ::looks at the amount of unread MLs emails::
on what ML did she post? since i don't suppose you'll give me the name of the author. or you can just email me the name, i just want to know if it's the same person i'm thinking. or maybe i should read the [insert large number here] emails in my sg MLs folder.

and ooooh legacy. i need to re-watch this episode one of those days. even *i* am teary when i watch it.

[x5-536.livejournal.com]

never mind, i went and checked.
same person as i was thinking. but blah, i won't comment about it.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Never received any of the previous comments. Typical *sigh*

Hmm, now I'm wondering whether you're a fan of her or not, ya know? *g* If you're a fan, well, hope I didn't offend you, of course, and if you really don't like her work or her attitude... well, you can comment, I'd be curious to know other people's opinion on that one *g*

[x5-536.livejournal.com]

err fan? absolutely not. i just don't want to comment because it'd sound um rude i guess.

i don't like her stories. i only read a few and i must admit that for one or two i just well, stopped in the middle. i'm a characterisation whore, her Jack and Daniel are SO OOC that it's not even funny.

the sap - ack. there's sap and sap. i can tolerate a decent amount of sap although it's not really my thing but her - meep. that was bad.

see i'm being mean. and now i'm going to regret posting this comment.

i do feel sad about it though, if she believes it should be like that, well good for her for sticking to her beliefs. i guess i'm surprised the mods actually ASKED her to leave.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm sure that the majority think like us, and really how could we not? I think her Jack and Daniel are the most OOC that I've ever read!

And believe me, as much as I like dark stuff, as much as I'm addicted to it, I can read and enjoy sap, but her stories were too much for me at times.

I don't think it's being mean, it's just the truth. As far as what *we* think, of course. I mean, some people out here enjoyed her fics after all. And I did read some of them, hey, I admit, even if it wasn't really Jack and Daniel that I read, and even if some sap was just *too* fucking much...

It's just bad that she felt this way, know what I mean? I would have hated being in her place *shudder* It's just a little sad she couldn't keep on doing what she did. I mean, every writer should have the right to post her fics. As long as I'm not forced to read them, I think it's okay, we should all have the right, that's why it was kinda sad. So yeah, I'm a sap so sue me lol

If you are diabetic - dont read

[nicci-mac.livejournal.com]

I know who you are talking about and have to agree that it IS a shame she feels she cant post to the lists becuase everyone should have the right to protray Jack and Daniel or whoever esle they want in whatever WAY they want.
Having said that - I am one of the people who do NOT enjoy her take on things and that DOES get irritated by the amount of posts she makes.
A suggestion would be for her to post the stories to her site then post a link only to the list for those that want it. And I agree with Ximeria, that this particular author takes things way too seriously and personally and should perhaps learn to have some patience. It takes days for fb to filter through.
I do occassionally read her fics when I am in the mood for mindless sap but on the whole I have stopped reading them, preferring angst and also sex (which this writer admits is not her forte) And let's face it - we are all in this for the HOT MONKEY SEX yes? hehehe

Re: If you are diabetic - dont read

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Apparently she found the perfect solution, I think I saw a post where she sent her brand new yahoogroups. At least she'll be among people who are able to get into her universe.

Ah, hot monkey sex... that's one of the joys of slash, indeed! lol And angst, well I'm addicted to angst and dark, so I won't deny your statement either *g*

Hail to wild hot monkey sex and angst!

[x5-536.livejournal.com]

oops so late. did you see, she created a list for her stories? ithink that's brave of her to believe in what she does.

I mean, some people out here enjoyed her fics after all.
yup.
maybe we should not discredit her as an author anyway. i mean, her jack and daniel are OOC but i get the feeling she knows that but it's just how she sees things.
i know that there are people who think that BDSM fics have OOC jack and daniel too, so who are we to judge?
ok ok, hers are waaaaay OOC.

every writer should have the right to post her fics.
they told her to post once a week only and with LINKS.
i thought that was too much, i don't know, it sounds nasty. it's not like she's the only person writing OOC jack and daniel out there.

blah, i saved some of her fics last week maybe i'll give them a try. although the sap is too much for me to accept. i already roll my eyes at too much sap. now her fics are not just too much sap, they're sappiness personified!