I'm on a roll!

[castalie]

Had a dinner out with tbf!Rissy tonight and though we ate really well, the service kinda sucked. But still, yummy food, it can't be all bad, right? :-)

So! I was rl!busy and fannish!busy today and I did watch the new SPN. Which was all kinds of awesome. Dude. Dude, JP was fucking fantastic in that ep! I never love Sam better than when he's a badass, so when he's evil? The love knows no bounds. And okay so it was not!Sam but you know what I mean! Two little moments I had to rewind was when he's doing the 'my daddy shot your daddy in the head' sing-song because that was pure gold... taunting and so ugly and the delivery was fucking spot on! I also loved when tied!not!Sam starts laughing like mad because he knows something Bobby and Dean don't, ie that the exorcism isn't gonna work because oops, he kinda learnt something new. Hee demons learn new tricks! They learn from their past mistakes, that was a nice twist, all right - and the binding spell? Was a lovely move *nods*

The whole exorcism scene was fantastic to begin with, but when it went downhill and not!Sam started on Dean, oh man, I was gasping and gripping my pillow like you wouldn't believe! I just can't get enough of the Demon family talking to Dean - what they have to say is always so fucking painful! They know Dean by heart and know where to hurt and they do it in the most deliciously way. Oh, Dean! He was hurting physically and mentally and not!Sam was saying all those ugly things and hurting him in all the worst way and hee angst and dean!pain are my favourite poison! ♥ ♥

Something I wish I'd seen at the end? Sam trying to apologise for what happened and the things he not!said and not!did to Dean. I mean, I don't think Dean would have let him finish the sentence, I don't think Dean would have wanted to hear about it but it would have been nice for Sam to go 'look, Dean, I know you don't want to hear this but I'm sorry for shooting you/beating the crap out of you/saying all those hurtful things' No, it wasn't really Sam and Dean knows it, and we know it too, but dude! If you feel so bad for something you didn't do to a stranger - and I know a killing is a whole new league but technically, if the meg!demon hadn't been stopped, things would have turned ugly for everyone, right? So why not try to apologise for something you didn't do to your brother? And Jo, too, btw. It's like - I don't dislike that ending. At all. As it happens I do love it, I'm not saying I think it would have been better if they'd done it differently just that I would have loved it if they'd addressed those issues, is all.

Speaking of non-issues, did Sam ever caress the thought of maybe, just maybe being the one to pull the trigger on himself? I'm trying to think of an instance and I can't find any. I mean, he's always angry at Dean for not wanting to kill him but what about Sam himself? What if he just took the responsibility of his death instead of giving it to Dean? Me, I don't want Sam to die; I'm not saying he should off himself but hi! Why don't you even mention suicide? Or did he? If he did, then just forget I said anything :-)

Either way it wouldn't work out, anyway - Dean would refuse both methods, but that's not even the point. The point is, why automatically put Dean in that position and better yet why put the responsibility of any possible failure on his shoulders? Admittedly, Dean just accepts everything without question so it's not as if it was OOC for either of them... technically it's also why I love the dysfunctional boys so much but still...

Dean killing Sam or Sam killing himself are both ugly scenarii and Sam has every reason to be terrified - the thought of doing it himself might be just too much and, dude, I totally get it, I'm certainly glad I'm not Sam, but just a tiny mention? And Dean would get scared and angry, and Sam would scared and they would have an argument and go back to square one. But at least the s-word would have been pronounced. [ETA: Just thought I'd make it clear that yes it doesn't count in this episode because it was never 'Sam'. I'm talking about things ever since Dean revealed what John had told him.]

I don't know if Dean's faith in and love for Sam are humbling or just plain scary... did he really, truly believe that it couldn't be Sam like he told Sam all along and then Jo? Or was he just trying to convince himself that it wasn't Sam because even if it had been, well, it wouldn't have changed anything for him. Actually, I believe he didn't believe it could be Sam... but when you refuse the eventuality of something as much as Dean does the thought of Sam becoming evil, well, denial can be pretty strong and it will make you see what you want to see. Or ignore what you don't.

Dean destroying evidence, his lying to Bobby at the end - though, yes, Bobby did know, anyway - was fucking awesome but try thinking of the length Dean would go to save Sam - "if it's the last thing I do, I'll save you" - and then you have a recipe for disaster. OH GOD DEAN DON'T GET YOURSELF KILLED, OKAY? AND DON'T SACRIFICE YOURSELF DAMMIT, IT'S TOTALLY THE SAME THING! *is scared*

Bobby was back! Hi, Bobby, so fantastic seeing you again! *kisses* And the holywaterinthebeer move was pure genius! Yeah, don't try to con a conman, Demon! You won't succeed *bounces* I also love how he was the one to save the boys in the end - quick thinking on the burn thing, man! Not so quick that I missed the great Hurting of Dean, though, so it was perfect, thanks :-)

And hi to you, too, Jo. So I guess that episode was the signal for that oncepossible!ship to canonically sink? But anyway, her scenes; the one when she's attacked was really disturbing - kudos on them both for making it good. In a disturbing way, I mean. And I enjoyed how she found Dean - I loved Dean's ringtone in "Nightshifter" and I love that it helped Jo find him i that episode... - and how she patched him up afterwards. Also liked the "no, you won't"...

Incidentally, I do hope there really is no such thing as too many coda for an episode because I don't know how many are gonna be written for 2x14 but apparently one of them will be mine. I've started writing it after the episode and before leaving and I've just finished it so I now have 3000+ words of a post-2x14 fic. It also amuses me because some 'issues' I mentioned in my review kinda found their to the story... Fancy that :-) Hee I'm writiiiiing ♥ ♥

Completely unrelated now; so I haven't been squeeing on my journal about it - though I've done a lot of it in my head - but Life on Mars series 2 premieres on Tuesday, which ohmygod I can't believe that Sam and Gene are back! And also, does anyone know where I can find the trailer on-line? Screencaps have been posted but not the original material and now I want it! I'm talking about the new trailer, the one with the actual actors in it, not the one with the puppets. Tia.

And now, I have to watch Stargate 10x14 and then the latest episode of Mythbusters. A fangirl's job is never done, is it?

Comments

[foofasaurus.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything you brought up. Last night, it made me angry, but today I'm looking at the possibilities of it all. I still want to see Sam feeling some amount of regret for what he not!did to Dean (and to Jo), just so I know Sam does care. And I still want some acknowledgment of what Sam is doing to Dean with this whole "promise me you'll kill me" business. Because if the writers made a big deal about John doing that to Dean, they need to recognize that Sam is doing the same.

BUT. Now that I'm calmer, I can look at it all and think of where all this might take us. I can think of all the lovely fic I'm sure is bound to be written. And I can hold out hope that it all will eventually be dealt with; just because it's not now, doesn't mean it won't come up later. After all, Dean's downward spiral after losing John didn't happen all in one episode. So I can hope.

But the episode was wonderful. I loved it. Yeah, it brought up some issues I'm not really comfortable with, and didn't give me the resolution I'd hoped for, but it was some phenomenal acting by Padalecki, and Dean was just beautiful throughout it, and it was creepy and so very good.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Why am I not surprise you and I shared the same mind this time again? :-) Something funny? The fic I wrote addressed some of the 'issues' I mentioned here and, man, that was a lot of fun *g*

Canon speaking though, we'll see whether there's some development re Sam and Dean and the promise and what it does to Dean and how Sam acknowledges it. We still have a lot of episodes to see and, yes, SPN is also known for not resolving things in just one episode so we might get it. And if we don't, well, we can't always see things the same way as the writers, and we're into fanfics, so it's not as if we won't get what we long for? :-) I'm just really curious about the whole issue, really.

And when everything has been said and done, the episode was really wonderful, I second that. JP was fantastic and JA, well, you know what I think of the guy, right? lol

[greedy_dancer]

heeeee mythbusters! *g*

not seen SPN yet, but will catch up as soon as it's done ...

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Heee Mythbusters, all right :-)

So now that you have watched it, it was a good ep, uh? It's just very sad that the ratings were so low this time *sigh*

[sockich.livejournal.com]

Why don't you even mention suicide?

THANK YOU! I was thinking this throughout the entire ep. You think you need to die, have some balls and shoot yourself (well, it obviously wouldn't work here, because yeah, demon but, he could at least mention it once).

try thinking of the length Dean would go to save Sam - "if it's the last thing I do, I'll save you" - and then you have a recipe for disaster.

Dean loves Sam so much...I don't really think there are words to describe it, are there? *hearts him*

God, this ep just completely, totally, utterly ROCKED! Hell, I even liked Jo in this one. ;)

Hee I'm writiiiiing ♥ ♥

Rock the fuck on. *cheers you on*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You too, eh? So okay in this particular episode it wasn't Sam who said those words but it's nothing new as such and I just - well, we'll see whether the writers want to go that route or not at all, but I couldn't not think of it because Sam sounds hell bent on the whole 'I'll turn evil NO MATTER WHAT' and he also knows that chances are Dean won't kill him so, if he really wants to stop the end of the world and stuff? There's another solution, as ugly as it is. Or maybe he did think about it and he hasn't told us, who knows? But it is a solution and I can't believe it wouldn't come out once...

We'll see, anyway.

The episode rocked; Jared RULED! And yeah, I didn't even think Jo was dull or anything.

[sockich.livejournal.com]

There's another solution, as ugly as it is.

And it's definitely less ugly than asking your brother, who loves you more than his own life to kill you. Come on Sammy, you got the fancy education, use your brains.

Of course, this is just talk because the boys will never turn evil and/or die but will live happily ever after with lots of deamony hunting and hot brotherly sex. *beams*

[briarwood.livejournal.com]

Speaking of non-issues, did Sam ever caress the thought of maybe, just maybe being the one to pull the trigger on himself? I'm trying to think of an instance and I can't find any.

He did in Croatoan. I think the point here is it wasn't Sam talking. If those words had been coming from Sam, the real Sam, if he'd truly believed he was uncontrollably evil, he wouldn't have asked Dean to do it, he'd have done it himself, as he intended to in Croatoan when he begged Dean to leave. (And I suspect that's what convinced Dean it wasn't Sam talking - he knows his brother isn't that sort of a coward.)

But the promise is his backup, a security blanket. Because, after all, if he were to become evil, he has to consider that the option of suicide may no longer be open to him.

[enigel]

Phew, thank Thor I'm not alone! Thank you for saying it more coherently and calmly than I could have. :D

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Good thing someone did then, because I only slept four hours last night and 'coherent and calm' was the only way to go *rubs eyes tiredly*

[enigel]

*cough* I was actually replying to morgan32's comment... :D

[castalie.livejournal.com]

I know, I was replying to your comment to her :-)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You're right, it doesn't count in that episode because Sam was never 'there' - but I wish I could be convinced like you that he would really do it. Like, leave on his own and just take care of the matter. Or, no, not that he'd do it, but that he would think of it. For serious. The promise in "Playthings" is the thing I keep coming back to. And we can't even blame his being drunk, so...

after all, if he were to become evil, he has to consider that the option of suicide may no longer be open to him.

Ah, yes, that's definitely a take on the whole thing that I prefer, all right. And if Sam keeps referring to Dean having to kill him if he turns evil, ie when Sam has no choice anymore, I do like the idea of the 'security blanket'. It's a back-up plan in case Sam can't do it himself. I sure wish it was made more clear - for me, that is, if you're convinced of it, obviously you don't have that 'problem' :-) We'll see how it goes in later episodes.

[enigel]

Ah, yes, that's definitely a take on the whole thing that I prefer, all right. [...] It's a back-up plan in case Sam can't do it himself.

But, but, it was so obvious for me it didn't need saying!

Why all the Sam hate, people, can't you just love Dean without having to see Sam in a bad light? :)

And Dean punched Sam, not the demon, when he was freshly exorcised and confuzzled, yet everyone seems to admire that and get the warm fuzzies.

They have both qualities and flaws, and all the Sam unjust criticism (there *is* just criticism too, but the other kind seems to prevail) makes me harder to like Dean, who is just so perfect he can't do anything wrong in the eyes of 90% of the fandom, as a gut reaction.

Sorry for burbling after all. :D *tries to find her zen again*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

It's not even that it's so obvious or anything, it's that he never mentions another solution... why not? The show is 'dark' enough that it would be possible for him to mention just offing himself before he does anything.

And it's not Sam hate, promise. I happen to enjoy Sam a lot this season, but still... just because I wish he mentioned another solution doesn't mean I think he sucks or anything. But between him and John, there's enough shit put on Dean's shoulders. Maybe a little help could work. Besides, it would be nicely angsty too.

I hated Dean punching Sam that first time and I didn't like him punching him now. I just hate when characters resort to violence for no reason. Don't remember cheering on him doing it. Admittedly in my fic he does refer to his kicking Sam and he's definitely not apologising for it, but it's not me, it's Dean. And Dean can be a jerk too.

Well, on my flist pretty much everyone is into Sam and he can't do wrong and no-one should ever mention anything against him - even when it's not a critism as such but more like an observation, because yeah, sometimes I wonder why go one way and not the other - and if they do say anything, they're a Bad Fan so I know the feeling, if you want to know. It irks me too if it makes you feel better.

*tries to find her zen with you* *lends you her icon*

[enigel]

*has found zen - points to own icon :D* I had forgotten I had it.

Don't remember cheering on him doing it.

No, sorry! By that point I was talking to the general feeling on my flist. Someone has specifically said she'd loved that part, and I'm not zen enough to comment on it. I mean, maybe she liked it in terms of character continuity, not in terms of "yay, Dean done good!", I won't know until I ask, right? ;)

Your "fault" was that you didn't mention it at all, so I assumed you didn't find it wrong. ;)

The show is 'dark' enough that it would be possible for him to mention just offing himself before he does anything.

Hm, you mean while he's still "good"? I don't think we could ask this of him... Everyone wants to live. And then if he mentioned it Dean wouldn't literally let him out of sight ever again. And if he did it without mentioning it to Dean, well, the show would kinda end. ;) (Or it could become the Jo and Dean hunting show. :P)

And BTW, I think it's Jo's asking if Sam was possessed when he did what he did that lost her points with Dean, not anything else.

Speaking of which, man, evil!not-Sam is close to Absolute Power!Daniel in terms of being convincing and very much Evil Overlord-y. O_o

And now I'd like to see evil!not-Dean, just for comparison's sake. We've seen evil!not-John, evil!not-Sam. Shapeshifter!Dean was kinda not too far from Dean!Dean.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You forgot the zen daniel icon? *gasp* Which actually reminds me that I still haven't watched the new SG. I should have taken advantage of my little bout of insomnia to catch up. Oh, well, today, then! It's not as if I feel like going outside with that crappy weather.

Your "fault" was that you didn't mention it at all, so I assumed you didn't find it wrong. ;)

Want me to add an ETA? lol The first time Dean punched Sam, I did mention how I didn't like it at all, though *nods*

don't think we could ask this of him... Everyone wants to live. And then if he mentioned it Dean wouldn't literally let him out of sight ever again.

But, see, I don't think it would be so OOC of him, and of course everyone wants to live. But like I was saying to morgan32, self-sacrifice runs deep in that family and Sam even just mentioning once or something wouldn't surprise me at all. Or, dude, do I actually have too much faith in the guy? :-)

Also, Dean would, of course, be furious and just tell him to shut the hell up, or not let him out of sight and stuff, and maybe it would just make things a bit too complicated but I can totally see Sam do it. Except I don't and that's why it keeps bugging me, I guess.

Or it could become the Jo and Dean hunting show. :P)

Wow, you're harsh with me today, mate!

think it's Jo's asking if Sam was possessed when he did what he did that lost her points with Dean, not anything else.

Ohh I like that, yeah.

evil!not-Sam is close to Absolute Power!Daniel in terms of being convincing and very much Evil Overlord-y. O_o

He is. And that's a huge compliment coming from us!

nd now I'd like to see evil!not-Dean, just for comparison's sake. We've seen evil!not-John, evil!not-Sam.

It'd be fun to see that, yeah. Though maybe they'll think that it's been a bit too overdone? Though evil!not-character is never really overdone, but you know what I mean. Two out of three, it kinda beats the odds, if you ask me.

Also, dude, so to ward off possession, you just need to carry the Special Amulet with you? Or did I miss something? Because if it's right and if it works, then how come hunters don't all have one? Dude *rolls eyes*

[enigel]

Yeah, the amulet thing was very much "bzuh ex machina". Like, why not sell them on hunters' equivalent of e-bay or something?

Maybe it's because suicide goes against Sam's beliefs, if we are to assume that his praying means he takes more of the Church's teachings at heart? I don't think so, though.

Or because they don't want to send this message to the large teenage base of viewers, must not forget that a show doesn't exist in a void, so they're not independent in their writing decisions...

But I also agree with Morgan32 where she said that the whole thing with Sam being so *doggedly* convinced that It's His Destiny feels a bit OOC in the stupid way. Like the way he interpreted the good!twin killing of the evil!twin as a sign that the dude could turn into a cold-blood killer or something. Whatever his flaws, Sam isn't stupid.

But it could also be for dramatic reasons. Like, you don't just wake up and say, "hey, I've had an idea!" and bang! There has to be some dramatic build-up and something to tip him over the edge.

See, when not-Sam was with Dean in that room and said "no, you'll live" and slowly raised the gun I thought it was the *perfect* moment for a suicide attempt, *because* he'd milked the "you must kill me" thing for all its worth, so it was time for the revelation that "hey, I could do it myself!". Only it wasn't Sam. ;) I was actually disappointed, because I was so sure I knew what would follow and was eagerly anticipating it. (That's because I trust Kripke not to really kill either of the brothers. Like, hello, that's whom his show lives off. :D)

Randomly, since the episode before this one I've had this tiny scene floating in my mind, of almost-evil-Sam begging Dean to kill him before it's too late, and Dean throwing the gun away and shaking Sam and saying, in that low, choked voice of his "You don't get it, Sammy. I'd rather burn in hell with you than do this."

It's probably OOC, but it's plaguing me. Because Dean's so sure he can save Sam, but if he fails and dies trying? He now canonly said he's rather die, but in SPN there are worse things than death...

And the thing is that it's more than just their two lives and souls at stake. Obviously the Yellow-Eyed demon has grander plans, so it might be the whole world at stake. And I'd like to see how far Dean's devotion went. And Sam dying might not be the worst thing that could happen to him either, if the alternative to being saved is going literally to hell and taking the world with him/them (the rest of the Special Children.)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Lol To think that all that time, Bobby - or anyone else who had the thought of the amulet thing - could have sold it to every hunter the sun and earn a ridiculout amount of cash; think of the money he lost! I guess we just have to go with the flow, uh?

No, I don't think it's because suicide goes against Sam's beliefs, either. Or, say, in that particular case, I don't think it would be the reason. I mean, killing himself would go against his beliefs but killing, well, everyone wouldn't? It would be more like saving everyone else, in this case.

r because they don't want to send this message to the large teenage base of viewers, must not forget that a show doesn't exist in a void, so they're not independent in their writing decisions...

I hadn't thought of that at all. But then, they did send the message that killing someone else to protect yourself is a solution. So why not killing yourself to protect others? Wouldn't it be the same thing? In a twisted way? But maybe you're right. Seriously, I hadn't thought of that at all. I guess suicide is a hotter issue than murder? Which is another issue altogether, but whatever *g*

Sam being so *doggedly* convinced that It's His Destiny feels a bit OOC in the stupid way.

I don't get it either. Why so sure? Like, it's as if there is not even the shadow of a doubt in his mind, he can't even seem to think of something else. And I agree, I thought his reasoning regarding the the evil!twin v good!twin was really sketchy.

Sometimes, I swear it's like he's so convinced he'll turn evil that he will turn himself that way even though it wasn't meant to be in his case. Like a placebo effect or something.

Like, you don't just wake up and say, "hey, I've had an idea!" and bang! There has to be some dramatic build-up and something to tip him over the edge.

True enough. And this is admittedly something I enjoy in that show, how things take time and aren't necessarily resolved in one or even two episodes.

(That's because I trust Kripke not to really kill either of the brothers. Like, hello, that's whom his show lives off. :D)

f almost-evil-Sam begging Dean to kill him before it's too late, and Dean throwing the gun away and shaking Sam and saying, in that low, choked voice of his "You don't get it, Sammy. I'd rather burn in hell with you than do this."

You seem to be on a roll these days, maybe you could write a little something with that scene?

And I can't even say it feels that OOC to me, btw. Sometimes I wonder how deep Dean's devotion run exactly. Like, the guy is fucked-up, maybe the thought of being with Sam, even in hell, would be better than living without him, especially if Dean is the one who killed him? He already carries so much guilt because of John's sacrifice for him, and Dean wasn't even conscious when it happened.

There's this fic - I think it has two installments - which have both evil!Sam and evil!Dean working for Yellow-Eyed demon and as dark and twisted it is, I have to say it gives me chill to think of Dean being with Sam like that...

...

Dude, remember a time when we only watched for the pretty?

[briarwood.livejournal.com]

I wish I could be convinced like you that he would really do it. Like, leave on his own and just take care of the matter.

As if Dean would let him! But, yes, I see what you mean. The thing is, at the moment, it's all about Sam's fear. It's not a reality. Until this episode, Sam hasn't ever actually done something he can consider evil. Whether he'll take the blame in his own head for the things the demon did...I don't know. That scene at the end suggested he knows the difference, so he's still in a place where he's afraid of the future, not where he believes there's a problem in the present.

In Croatoan it was a present reality. Sam had seen what the demonic virus did to others, he knew for certain he himself was infected...and he saw very clearly what he needed to do about it. There's no doubt in my mind that if Dean had left, as Sam wanted, Sam would have killed himself.

I have some big problems with Sam's story arc this season - I think he's being portrayed as a moron, frankly, taking this idiotic destiny notion on board...and season one Sam wasn't that much of a bloody fool. The man is supposed to be intelligent FCOL.

In Playthings...well, there are so many things wrong with that episode I lost count. I swear, they put that beautiful slashy scene in there 'cause they thought that way we wouldn't notice how sloppy the rest of the episode was! I don't understand Sam's logic about all this. It's as if he's grabbing on to this idea to avoid facing something else...but I guess I need to work on that some more.

And we can't even blame his being drunk, so...

Do you think he would have ever forced that promise out of Dean if he hadn't been drunk? I know he reminded him of it later, but...maybe I'm full of crap here, but the way he did that is almost like he was channelling John, reminding Dean to shut up and follow orders. It is very out of character for Sam...but like I said, that whole damn episode was sloppily written.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

As if Dean would let him!

He so wouldn't, yeah. And if Sam ever said he just wanted to kill himself, he would have Dean at his throat before he even finished the sentence anyway. Which might be what happens in my own fic, actually *cough*

The thing is, Sam is So Sure he'll turn evil - poor guy doesn't exactly have anything to prove him wrong with so many of the Other Children going on a killing spree, but then there was one evil twin and one not so evil, wasn't it? - I wonder about him thinking of a way to just stop it from happening. And actually making sure Dean won't come in the way. I'm curious about the whole thing in the next episodes because Sam now has proof - as if needed any - that Dean has no intention of doing it. And Sam can't not be afraid about that, like, even if something happens and Dean realises there's no other way maybe it'll be too late, anyway. And maybe it's just too soon, all right, we'll see. And maybe they won't ever go that route and it'll fine with me. I'll go with the flow. I'll still think one solution has been overlooked but so what?

Do you think he would have ever forced that promise out of Dean if he hadn't been drunk?

I do, actually :-) And because he did remind Dean of it, afterwards. It would have been 'easy' to put the whole thing on the fact that he was drunk and leave Dean knows about it but leave Sam in the dark as to what he admitted. But he didn't forget, and he doesn't give up, so to speak.

Also, it's not that he asks Dean to kill him that I have a problem with - I love the angst that comes with it - it's just I would love for something more coming from him. I don't even think it'd be OOC, on the contrary, self-sacrifice runs deep in the Winchester family, after all.

[briarwood.livejournal.com]

I would love for something more coming from him. I don't even think it'd be OOC, on the contrary, self-sacrifice runs deep in the Winchester family, after all.

*nods* For Sam to be thinking it wouldn't be OOC. But for him to say it, to Dean would be - after everything Dean has been through with losing John...no. Sam can't let Dean believe he would do the same thing.

This is the weakness of the show's format: we have no "cipher" character, no one that Sam and Dean can confide in, except each other. It means that things like this cannot be said aloud: it's got to be implicit in their actions. And with Sam, I believe it is.

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

*chants* evil!sam! evil!sam! *loves*
well, there's no point saying more, but I love this episode. And when Dean punches Sam after - I love this in a 'I was freaking scared, you idiot' kind of way, like a parent might punish their child after they thought they had lost it. And Sam's bewildered look... Oh Sam's glances in this episode... I'll stop before I turn this into a major squee, but you get the idea: *squee*

[castalie.livejournal.com]

"My daddy shot your daddy in the heeaad" - hee evil!not-Sam was fantastic! Jared totally owned the part; he should be evil more often, it certainly suits him well :-)

Funny you'd mention Dean punching Sam because though I do see the whole scared!Dean lashing out, I just hate it when he does that, like in "Bloodlust", you know? Different situations but same result and eep medon'tlikey *covers eyes with hands*

Squee is right! *squee with you*

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

I just hate it when he does that
somehow, this doesn't surprise me lol

do you think that if we ask nicely they'll put more evil!Sam? (here is a nice evil!sam fic btw, in case you haven't read it yet. It's part of an arc, but it can be read alone)

OH! I have a question: is there going to be a third season? (please say yes)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Oh, the third season thing. We pray for a third season but nothing is official, at all. Thing is, contrary to what my flist - and maybe yours - might reflect, SPN isn't that popular; the ratings aren't that high. Truth be told, its time slot is pretty tough, the show is against - I think both - Grey's Anatomy and CSI, so I let you imagine how difficult it is on a good day *sigh* Eric Kripke himself said that he wished he had more viewers, which is something any producers would like, of course, but in his case, it's really a matter of getting more viewers so that TPTB realise that it would be a Very Bad Idea to cancel the show, you know?

I remember the whole 2nd season trauma of last year, it's starting all over again for the third now *fingers crossed*

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

*confused* you mean LJ doesn't reflect RL? shocking... Who was stupid enough to put it in the same time slot as Grey's Anatomy and CSI?! Of course, I don't remember the second season trauma, but it's a real pity that they can't count the internet craze going around it, cause if they did, they would have a different point of view, wouldn't they? When will we know approximately if it's good to go for a third season?)

[castalie.livejournal.com]

cause if they did, they would have a different point of view, wouldn't they

They kinda would, wouldn't they? But fancy you'd say that because sometime ago, a community was created to help promote the show IRL. Fans are the best like that, and they can sometimes do pretty impressive stuff; and hey at least, it can't hurt. I might have have decided to join them in the whole save/promote SPN campaign. My very first tv campaign \o/

I don't know when; I know we already know about certain shows, like Heroes for instance. I'll try to investigate, ie ask someone in the flist lol

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

oh yeah, I heard about this community! RL people have no idea what's going to hit them *g* good on you for joining. I don't always get how some shows get to stay on air and not the others. Take '8 simple rules' for instance (Touche pas a mes filles, a 13h sur M6): it's utter crap, and yet it goes on and on. And then you have Scrubs, which struggles to get by! stupid people... Smallville has been going on since 2001 (thanks to IMDb for avoiding me to look like a moron), and you can't tell me it's better than SPN! they don't have evil!Sam after all.

btw, I'm almost afraid to ask: how is the third season of Lost? Or did you completely got that off your radar?

[castalie.livejournal.com]

There's just no way of knowing what TPTB will deem good enough to keep, the stupid jerks! Well, if SPN is renewed, they'll be a bunch of geniuses but in the meantime...

LOST? Oh yeah, I heard there was a third season? lol I totally gave up on the show at the beginning of season 2, actually.

Speaking of which, remember a time when everyone on the flist talked about it? They had the Lost crazies every thursday it was so much fun to see - and participate in. Now? I think there's one tiny mention every now and then - it's like the show fell off the edge of LJ or something.

[babycakesin.livejournal.com]

bah, even if it's not renewed, the fandom will make it live forever (at least I hope). I mean, TS is still up and running, so... pleasepleasepleasethirdseasonplease

Lost... *shakes head in disbelief* they should have made it a one-season thing! it would have been awesome, it would have been legendary. How did they manage to ruin this show? Honestly, I'm wondering, for real!

I still remember the beginning of the fandom - dude, I still remember that the show began around the time I presented my DEA and as soon as I got out of the room I got on the phone to discuss Lost! They had the hot guys, they had the hot girls, they had the beach and the endless possibility for hotness and they still ruined it *shakes head in disbelief* Remember the icon-madness? the posts? the spoilers? now, no one even cares (or so it seems)

[turps33.livejournal.com]

I haven't seen the ep yet, so will limit myself to saying.

YAY! More you fic!

[castalie.livejournal.com]

You were pretty busy yeah. Hope you'll find the time to catch up soon though, it was a great ep :-)

Also, the fic has been posted yay! And I'm apparently writing something new again. It's a sort of Five Times thing. I say 'sort of' because right now it's only a Two Times lol We'll see :-)

[greedy_dancer]

writing! yay! you're right, there is no such thing as too many coda. *g*

and yeah, GREAT episode. got me on the edge of my seat. we got hurt!Dean and hurt!Sam and evil!Sam and hot!Sam omg. so gooood. now i've gotta go look for those spoilery pics ... lol

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Good thing you think so too lol And hey I'm writing a new fic again. The muse is a-rolling, apparently! *shakes pom poms*

It was great, yeah ;-)

[lilisullivan.livejournal.com]

j'ai adoré l'épisode de la semaine dernière! Et moi j'ai aucun problème avec Jo donc j'étais contente de la voir réapparaitre.
Jared Padalecki m'a impressionné. Franchement d'habitude je suis la première à dire que Jensen joue mieux, mais là Jared a sorti le grand jeu!
Sinon c'est vrai que au lieu de mettre tout sur les épaules de Dean, Sam pourrait envisager de se suicider. Avant que le démon ne donne un coup de crosse à Dean je pensais vraiment qu'il allait se faire sauter la cervelle ( vu que je ne savais pas qu'il était possédé à ce moment là)
C'est dommage que les taux d'audience soient si bas, ça me désole... un si bon episode...

[castalie.livejournal.com]

Jared a effectivement joué le grand jeu, il était absolument génial. Il m'a gentiment bluffée, je dois dire *applaudit*

Ca me désole aussi; c'est vraiment dommage, quand même. Et c'est toujours étrange de penser que ma flist n'est en fait pas représentative du tout de l'audience de la séries; je suis tellement habituée à ce que la grande majorité soit complètement dingue de la série que j'ai parfois du mal à me souvenir que ça n'est pas le cas hors lj.

[castalie.livejournal.com]

C'était du squee tout du long cet épisode; des comme ça j'en redemande ! En même temps, c'est un peu ce que je ressens à chaque fois, donc ça va lol